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Anti-interceptor

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Varukka Sault
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-02 10:55:27 UTC
With the recent interceptor buff small groups (2-4) and small gangs 4-12'ish) have been the most common pew pew recently. Most of us are aware of their general capabilities. That being said, I'm looking for advice on the best SOLO counter to these gangs. I'm not concerned with fleet fits/counters for handling tackle, I'm concerned with what is the best ship to handle small groups of interceptors in the current meta. This is foin between the times when we aren't out roaming ourselves and I can't be bothered to rat any longer and I want to hop in something an cruise around looking for pvp or when te small gangs present temaelves in my soac when I am ratting. I can fly most anything subcap and below. Thanks in advance for your input!
Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-02 11:16:37 UTC
Thing is, if you hop into something remotely capable - they will just refuse to fight you and you are never catching them (they are faster, warp faster, have longer points and bubble immunity).
With the nerfs of RLMs bigger hulls are more or less useless and smaller hulls will melt, especially if you want solo. You might try Hawk with LMs and Flare rig?
Catherine Woodville
Higher Than Everest
#3 - 2013-12-02 12:10:49 UTC
A pulse coercer can take out a couple of interceptors before they pop you. Fit for maximum damage and tracking rather than tank and use a mwd/web rather than a point. With any luck they won't notice they aren't pointed and keep coming at you.

Start the engagement at your maximum fall off range, overheat and burn away from them in a straight line to improve your tracking, use scorch while they are at range, turn on the web and change to multi when they get close. Profit.
crononyx
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-12-02 14:21:15 UTC
Some time ago I've seen a vid by zaqq demonstrating anti-frig maller fit.
No tank, tracking enhancers, heatsinks in lows, tracking computer, pulses.
Not sure how that works against good ceptor pilots, but i will try that soon. Sounds like it should work.

But in general: dessies. I killed 2 ceptors on gate in my blaster cormorant few days ago.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#5 - 2013-12-02 14:37:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
An armor gnosis with autocannons has recently proven effective against little stuff that likes to zip around you in my personal experience. You could even drop one of the warp disruptors and the ECCM/sebo and put on some tracking computers.
Bobfromlalaland kcid
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-12-02 16:02:21 UTC
sacrilige
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
Thermodynamics
#7 - 2013-12-02 19:34:17 UTC
Bobfromlalaland kcid wrote:
sacrilige

HAM application GG. In my opinion, a dual web Stabber Fleet Issue with Dual 180mm Autocannons is the best ship for frigate shredding. I would know, I've died to them many times.

I wear my goggles at night.

Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2013-12-02 23:22:02 UTC
Domi with all highs of heavy neuts, damps, mjd, sebo in the mids and lots of warriors ??? If they get within neut range they will be capped out in seconds and become easy prey, so they can't stop you from mjd'ing away.
maybe.. this is me theory crafting..
Varukka Sault
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-03 07:19:27 UTC
My apologies for the typos in the OP, Iphone fail.

The domi fit runs into the problem of them not engaging. While it would probably work as you said, they won't engage you without knowing they have friends coming to blob you.

I will look into the gnosis.

I bought 10 coercers with that just in mind, and then i ran into a wolf and got my ass handed to me. Purely my oversight.

I've looked into arty thrashers with something similar in mind as well.

As far as the SFI, i'm currently running a vaga similarly fit, except with a pimped scram and web XL-asb, haven't gotten to test it out though (might be falling into the category of they know better to engage without enough blob).

I will look for that video mentioned as well.

I guess I was just looking for something other than Dessie's brawling/kiting and hoping for the best. The way I see it currently, is you have to fly something they think they can kill with ease, or fly something so expensive it makes it worth the risk to fight something superior to them. I'm hoping the Vaga will do the trick for that. I will monkey around with a Hawk fit and see if I can't find something that will enable me to brawl 2-3 depending on intel provided for those pilots and their fits. Otherwise i've had good success with a blaster Daredevil with SAAR. However tanking two is risky, if they are decent pilots I shouldn't get both of them (I did manage it once) but more than 2 and i've got no hope. That is assuming they don't derp along the way allowing me to seperate them enough to burn one down cleanly and transition to the next. The other issue with the DD is I need to kill 3-4 before I pop to make it isk efficient.

I was hoping for something out of the box I hadn't thought of or something painfully obvious I overlooked.

TLDR: I want a solo ship that can realistically engage small groups of ceptors, one that which the ceptors will actually engage me. I want cake, and I want to eat it too.
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-12-03 12:45:45 UTC
Smartbombing battleship with 4+ warp stabs and smart piloting.

The trick is to get them close up. You have to be a bit creative for that, and warp around a lot. Tips:
• make them decloak you
• make them intercept you from warp at point blank obvious warp ins (70km from celestial vs smart ones, 100 or 0 vs standard)
• make them think you are ratting or trying to snipe (fake sebo)
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-03 13:17:27 UTC
Varukka Sault wrote:

TLDR: I want a solo ship that can realistically engage small groups of ceptors, one that which the ceptors will actually engage me. I want cake, and I want to eat it too.

It's not hard to find one idiot that will engage a ship that is capable of killing him five times over but you're hoping for a whole fleet of idiots?... LOL

Even in a group of idiots there's usually one that is smart enough to say "wait this might not be a good idea"
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-12-03 17:55:37 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Varukka Sault wrote:

TLDR: I want a solo ship that can realistically engage small groups of ceptors, one that which the ceptors will actually engage me. I want cake, and I want to eat it too.

It's not hard to find one idiot that will engage a ship that is capable of killing him five times over but you're hoping for a whole fleet of idiots?... LOL

Even in a group of idiots there's usually one that is smart enough to say "wait this might not be a good idea"


I think the contrary, a lone pilot rarely finds the courage to engage and make the mistake of committing to a bad fight. A group is much braver and desperate to engage just to get their worth for taking the time to group up.

With the smartbomb fake sniper rokh I lured only one solo dramiel, but many fleet interceptors and probers to their death.
Grandma Squirel
#13 - 2013-12-04 06:02:16 UTC
The Domi, and SB Rokh are both solid against a ceptor only fleet. The problem is that if the ceptors are running point for something heavier, you run the risk of getting bogged down and killed by reinforcements. Domi may not be able to kill ceptors fast enough, and the Rokh, or other SB wont have the range to ensure all scrams are killed. They can and do work, but are far from perfect. I've run into both, and had both die to reinforcements, domi got 2 ceptors before going down, Rokh almost got one.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#14 - 2013-12-04 06:16:53 UTC
30k point 4-5km/s ceptors are incredibly hard to kill solo as most weapons either have trouble reaching that range or simply can't hit the ceptor, you can't outspeed them, you can't scram em, they can outspeed/kill drones easily, unbonused neuts can't reach them etc. If an entire ceptor gang landed on you you could kill a couple, but it's unlikely you'll come out on top.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-12-04 15:03:53 UTC
Do something stupid like fit nuets, web, scram, duel large asb, drone damage amps, and hobs on a scythe. Split the gang over a gate or 2 and kill the ranis that scrams you. It works I swear.
Dan Carter Murray
#16 - 2013-12-04 15:13:49 UTC
Varukka Sault wrote:
With the recent interceptor buff small groups (2-4) and small gangs 4-12'ish) have been the most common pew pew recently. Most of us are aware of their general capabilities. That being said, I'm looking for advice on the best SOLO counter to these gangs. I'm not concerned with fleet fits/counters for handling tackle, I'm concerned with what is the best ship to handle small groups of interceptors in the current meta. This is foin between the times when we aren't out roaming ourselves and I can't be bothered to rat any longer and I want to hop in something an cruise around looking for pvp or when te small gangs present temaelves in my soac when I am ratting. I can fly most anything subcap and below. Thanks in advance for your input!


solo counter for the entire gang is smartbombing battleship with mjd, target spectrum breaker, cloak, ecm burst, and lot's of stabs.

solo counter for single interceptor is sentinel.

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Varukka Sault
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-05 00:47:04 UTC
bubble trout wrote:
Do something stupid like fit nuets, web, scram, duel large asb, drone damage amps, and hobs on a scythe. Split the gang over a gate or 2 and kill the ranis that scrams you. It works I swear.


I guess this might work if they are foolish enough to aggress me in a position where I can just jump and leave one or more behind with aggression timer, otherwise there is no outrunning them in from gate to gate with that warp speed.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-12-05 04:23:04 UTC
Varukka Sault wrote:
bubble trout wrote:
Do something stupid like fit nuets, web, scram, duel large asb, drone damage amps, and hobs on a scythe. Split the gang over a gate or 2 and kill the ranis that scrams you. It works I swear.


I guess this might work if they are foolish enough to aggress me in a position where I can just jump and leave one or more behind with aggression timer, otherwise there is no outrunning them in from gate to gate with that warp speed.



Foolish enough to chase down a lone T1 logi cruiser? Yes, people are.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-12-06 02:07:33 UTC
LML overtanked drake? I know it was done with moderate success way back when, it probably could work now too.

No sig.

Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#20 - 2013-12-12 21:24:43 UTC
Sentinel, neut, scram and drones!
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