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Solhild
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-12-02 19:42:42 UTC
Valid point about training times. I wonder what would change if everything was quickened for all players, e.g. training times halved across the board.

I wonder if you got here via Dust514 - how many EVE players have done that?
Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-12-02 22:30:15 UTC
Too short of training times would make things hard for new players in my opinion. Skill books cost money as do the higher tech modules and ships. Most 1 month characters cant make money fast enough to pay for a t3 or t2 bs or whatever goal they have, let alone afford to replace it when they lose it in pvp or get ganked.

There is no EVE II coming out, no rush to have everything now other than ones own impatience. Make short term and long term goals and enjoy the fact that training times allow you to learn the game before you start making expensive mistakes.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#23 - 2013-12-02 22:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
What I find refreshing here and I've seen references in the forums here is the fact someone new simply just can't pick up the game and in 1 day start owning everyone in the game.


Some people are picking this part of your post apart a bit but technically you are right. A new player cannot start owning everybody in the game. But a new player that understands the game mechanics can, and will, kill a player that has been playing for much longer. If someone asks me "how can I become a pirate from day one" I usually show them a killmail where a 3 million costing Rifter destroys a 100 million costing industrial, of which 30 million drops. I then explain how the particular kill was made using a vulnerability of this industrial: it HAS to decloak in order to collect any goods. This is what allows you to grab it if you get on-grid fast enough, and from that moment on it's a matter of keeping it scrammed, diminish any possible countermeasures, and wearing down it's tank.

Fly safe(ties off) new capsuleer!
Dal-Amara Furion
#24 - 2013-12-03 07:26:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dal-Amara Furion
@ Inxentas Ultramar

I was recently podded by a pirate so I don't believe I will make that journey. What I would like to do is find a group of people who are Pirate Killers... "Killers" that sounds a bit brutal, but, on the same token, necessary.

I have turned my focus from mining and in the direction of finding out what is a good ship to go Pirate Hunting =P

Also, if there are any good "Pirate hunting" guilds out there can anyone point me in the direction?

By "good" I mean decent people. I really don't want to hear a lot of cussing, see a lot of drama, or be a part of an organization that has less than a 5 star rating. I know, I'm a bit picky but I've been a part of those groups and really don't care for them.

Oh, I almost forgot, my profile quote are of my own rules to live by. I believe in the goodness of mankind. One may argue they mostly have forgotten things like honor, dignity, respect, truth and honesty, (to name a few) but it's there somewhere within them. Sometimes they just need a better reason to recall this higher purpose.



@ the rest, not specifically named:

You all are great and again I do thank you for your input and guidance

Live Pure, Speak the Truth, Right Wrongs, Be Fair and Be Just... This is not just God's will, this is your obligation to all Humanity.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2013-12-03 07:43:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:

By "good" I mean decent people. I really don't want to hear a lot of cussing


I dont know where to begin with on this one. You seemed like a genuinely nice person, right up until that.

Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
I believe in the goodness of mankind. One may argue they mostly have forgotten things like honor, dignity, respect, truth and honesty, (to name a few) but it's there somewhere within them. Sometimes they just need a better reason to recall this higher purpose.


None of these things exist in New Eden. Plenty of people have come to try and reform the galaxy into a utopian sharebear wonderland (not saying you are, just illustrating my point) and all of them that I am aware of have succumbed to the much more profitable and safer path of back-stabbing, in-the-face shooting of enemies, disrespect, lies and deceit. At the very least you need to be aware that all of these will be attempted on you at all times. At worst, you will be rolled and left penniless in the gutter.

There is no higher purpose other than what you make, nature is not good or evil; nature simply is, and human nature is too but more so.

Me, well I like to hang with the Blood Raiders, so maybe I have a somewhat different view of God's Work in this universe than you so perhaps I cannot see the wood for the trees.

Or rather, the corpses swinging from them.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2013-12-03 07:57:32 UTC
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
@ Inxentas Ultramar

I was recently podded by a pirate so I don't believe I will make that journey. What I would like to do is find a group of people who are Pirate Killers... "Killers" that sounds a bit brutal, but, on the same token, necessary.

I have turned my focus from mining and in the direction of finding out what is a good ship to go Pirate Hunting =P

Also, if there are any good "Pirate hunting" guilds out there can anyone point me in the direction?

As you start hanging out where pirates hang out and shooting them/breaking up gatecamps etc., eventually you'll meet targets of opportunity that are too good to pass up... Also, you should read up pirate guides as opposed to pirate killer specific guides, since they pretty much operate the same way, apart from target selection..


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By "good" I mean decent people. I really don't want to hear a lot of cussing, see a lot of drama, or be a part of an organization that has less than a 5 star rating. I know, I'm a bit picky but I've been a part of those groups and really don't care for them.

It's more about finding a group of people you click with rather than being in a '5-star' organization. Nevertheless, you won't meet these people unless you get out there and actually spend some time flying with them. Took me about 1-2 years of playing the game to end up with the guys I'm happy to call my friends now. Try them all, null sec corps, highsec carebearing, low sec pirate/anti-pirate, FW corps etc. Once you decide your preferred PVP style and setting, then start looking around for people you have fun flying with. Don't be afraid to turn down offers or leave a corp if you decide that the people in there are not for you.
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Oh, I almost forgot, my profile quote are of my own rules to live by. I believe in the goodness of mankind. One may argue they mostly have forgotten things like honor, dignity, respect, truth and honesty, (to name a few) but it's there somewhere within them. Sometimes they just need a better reason to recall this higher purpose.

How you act ingame doesn't define what kind of person you are, good or bad.

Good luck and fly safe/dangerous o/
Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2013-12-03 08:14:59 UTC
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
This is my 1st post:

I've been gaming a long, long time and on top of that I'm a new player here at Eve Online.

What I find refreshing here and I've seen references in the forums here is the fact someone new simply just can't pick up the game and in 1 day start owning everyone in the game. I've played the crap out of FPS's and MMO's and there is nothing more detesting than having a beginner, level one, or other, start the game and kick the crap out of your seasoned character, no matter your level.

It is refreshing... here... the hierarchy of ships and weapons and that hierarchy is maintained. There is no shotgun sniper rifle, or a pistol that hits harder than a 50 caliber sniper rifle... this is great!!!

I do hope as I train up and eventually join the ranks of the higher players that this concept remains in tact. While everyone else is nerfing weapons to be equal, to the degree that it makes no sense, I hope it remains a fact here that not all weapons and ships are not equal. Simple rules of power do exist, you don't take a pee shooter to a machine gun fight, unless of course you are playing battlefield 2-3-4 or the Call of Duty games.

The only complaint I do have are the training times, there is no reason to bore a new player to death. I'm sure this concept has ran many of players off. So I would ask for a reconsideration in this area and making the sensible move to more acceptable training times. ( In case any Dev's read this)

Thanks again!




Hi

Firstly I would like to throw into the pot the cerebal excelerator which may cost a bit but has a limited timer and trains your char 17 times faster. This can give you a good base for reducing your training to get into a pvp ship. Run the tutorial.

Secondly learning and reading helps alot and the fact that if you know stuff you can wipe out a seasoned char within 2 weeks of training your char. I know cos ive done it as many others in EvE.

Thirdly EvE is a big eye opener to new chars but be careful and be warned. DONT fly what you cannot afford as if you loose everything on one ship your not going to be happy. DONT trust anyone not even your mom (if she plays EvE). There are alot of scammers, contract scammers and corp thefts. Just keep people at guns length and youll be ok.

Lastly if your going down the pvp route learn as much as you can from reading ie tactical setups and your oponents ship. Plus know who your dealing with. Reasearch is a must. But then again there are times when doing a leroy jenkins does pay off.

Have a look at killboards and youtube solo fights like kil2's fun around low and null. It is a shame your first loss was in a mining ship being blown up by another miner but thats EvE.

Fly safe o/

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-12-03 08:35:58 UTC
Training time is pretty good, you can try out any field pretty quick, the only things that are extremely long is if you are obsessed with getting level 5 and flying/manufacturing capital ships, or certain specific ships, other than that everything is actually not that long, hell you can have lvl 4 BS with the right support systems at and the weapons in a 1-2 weeks, that's nothing..

Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC
Grumpy Poster
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-12-03 09:45:58 UTC
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
Simple rules of power do exist, you don't take a pee shooter to a machine gun fight, [...]


Some do. Tends to get wet. And messy.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#30 - 2013-12-03 11:03:34 UTC
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:

What I find refreshing here and I've seen references in the forums here is the fact someone new simply just can't pick up the game and in 1 day start owning everyone in the game. I've played the crap out of FPS's and MMO's and there is nothing more detesting than having a beginner, level one, or other, start the game and kick the crap out of your seasoned character, no matter your level.



Well, there is a dividing line between character skills and player skills. FPS games are generally all the same, so if you got good at one, you are automatically good at just about every other FPS game in existance.

EVE has a dividing line between player skills and character skills too. So an old player (with top-notch player skills) can make a 2 day old character, specialize, and mop the floor with an unprepared older character. She would have to choose her targets carefully, but a lot of player skills is knowing probable fits and tactics for the ships you attack.

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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-12-03 11:34:27 UTC
The slow training is boring tbh, but at the same time at the end of it there is a small sense of accomplishment that just isnt found in lvling up or gaining a new skill in other mmo's now adays and for that i'll continue to take my long training queue's over anything else
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-12-03 13:18:36 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
The nice people hang out on the forums.


What.

That post in GD...

EVE Forums must be dying.

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Gerald Sphinx
Marauding Dragons
#33 - 2013-12-03 14:47:34 UTC
Welcome to New Eden.

Now get ready to be scammed, robbed, ransomed, and ganked at every system you go to.
Smexy Plexy
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-12-03 15:07:13 UTC
Long training times yes, but...

this is one of the only MMOs where you can legally buy your own 5-10 year veteran (ie. jump right to level 100)

Sorta pay to win if you will.

Pro tip - get two monitors, find another game like League of Legends, Mine craft, or World of Tanks that you can play during the 90% of time that EvE is a bore. Also, find a Corp that you can hang with in TeamSpeak and play LoL, WoT with etc.
Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#35 - 2013-12-03 15:34:16 UTC
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
This is my 1st post:

I've been gaming a long, long time and on top of that I'm a new player here at Eve Online.

What I find refreshing here and I've seen references in the forums here is the fact someone new simply just can't pick up the game and in 1 day start owning everyone in the game. I've played the crap out of FPS's and MMO's and there is nothing more detesting than having a beginner, level one, or other, start the game and kick the crap out of your seasoned character, no matter your level.

It is refreshing... here... the hierarchy of ships and weapons and that hierarchy is maintained. There is no shotgun sniper rifle, or a pistol that hits harder than a 50 caliber sniper rifle... this is great!!!

I do hope as I train up and eventually join the ranks of the higher players that this concept remains in tact. While everyone else is nerfing weapons to be equal, to the degree that it makes no sense, I hope it remains a fact here that not all weapons and ships are not equal. Simple rules of power do exist, you don't take a pee shooter to a machine gun fight, unless of course you are playing battlefield 2-3-4 or the Call of Duty games.

The only complaint I do have are the training times, there is no reason to bore a new player to death. I'm sure this concept has ran many of players off. So I would ask for a reconsideration in this area and making the sensible move to more acceptable training times. ( In case any Dev's read this)

Thanks again!


They did... training was worse. We had these things called learning skills which when trained would increase your base attributes. There was 4-5 months worth of training those before anyone would serious consider training anything. One day CCP realized it was stupid and did away with it. The other thing CCP did and it was the best "fix" ever was the skill queue....

Back in the days when real men flew internet spaceships we didn't have a training queue at all.... so you trained a skill and then you hoped you were at a computer to start a new one or goto the next level... hence all these programs you see online called skill training planners...
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#36 - 2013-12-03 15:40:49 UTC
The training queue is definitely a serious factor when I'm planning my week.

"Sorry busy on Tuesday as I need to train Gallente Battleship V. How about Wednesday?"

Just got tech 2 sentries the other day and it was like my birthday, I had been waiting for ages Cool
Sir Jack Falstaff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-03 16:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Sir Jack Falstaff
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
I have turned my focus from mining and in the direction of finding out what is a good ship to go Pirate Hunting =P

Also, if there are any good "Pirate hunting" guilds out there can anyone point me in the direction?

By "good" I mean decent people. I really don't want to hear a lot of cussing, see a lot of drama, or be a part of an organization that has less than a 5 star rating. I know, I'm a bit picky but I've been a part of those groups and really don't care for them.

Try Eve University. It's a fairly structured (for Eve) learning environment without a lot of cussing or drama (mostly). It's also a good way to see a bunch of different career paths and figure out which you like best.

As for being a pirate hunter, I would suggest growing into that. You certainly can, but you will find that there are many different types of pirate in Eve, and most of them are very skilled at solo PVP. With a little game time under your belt, you'll figure out who's who and who you want to go white knighting against.

Banish plump Jack, and banish all the world.
Othran
Route One
#38 - 2013-12-03 16:28:01 UTC
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:

Oh, I almost forgot, my profile quote are of my own rules to live by. I believe in the goodness of mankind. One may argue they mostly have forgotten things like honor, dignity, respect, truth and honesty, (to name a few) but it's there somewhere within them. Sometimes they just need a better reason to recall this higher purpose.


You'd be surprised how many of us started out that way and ended up saying "screw it, why not?" Pirate

Eve is a game which primarily rewards intelligence. Whether its being able to manipulate the market; blow the crap out of the latest FoTM fleet fit or whatever, the intelligent people get the rewards quicker than in most (all?) other MMOs.

Makes it interesting and keeps it interesting in cycles as alliances rise and fall.

Have fun but morality in Eve is "negotiable" Blink
Dal-Amara Furion
#39 - 2013-12-03 19:15:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dal-Amara Furion
@ Ramona McCandless

What does a nice person say? I do believe in Camelot.


To everyone, again I can not thank you enough for your input, ideas, and guidance.

Live Pure, Speak the Truth, Right Wrongs, Be Fair and Be Just... This is not just God's will, this is your obligation to all Humanity.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2013-12-03 19:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Casanunda wrote:
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:

The only complaint I do have are the training times, there is no reason to bore a new player to death. I'm sure this concept has ran many of players off. So I would ask for a reconsideration in this area and making the sensible move to more acceptable training times. ( In case any Dev's read this)

Thanks again!

The training times are much shorter than they used to be, we used to have these things called learning skills, which were pretty much essential for quicker skill training, and could eat up around 50 days of training time to get to a reasonable level at the 2x training bonus newbies used to get.

Welcome to Eve, we have a few "rules"

  • Don't fly anything you can't afford to lose or don't feel comfortable losing, everything explodes eventually Pirate
  • If it sounds too good to be true, it's a scam, if it doesn't sound too good to be true, you simply haven't figured out what the scam is yet.
  • Bigger is not better, don't rush towards your first battlecruiser or battleship, spend time in frigates, destroyers and cruisers until you know the ropes, and have decent support skills trained.
  • Never pay a "security deposit" to join a corporation, you'll never see the money, or membership.


o7 fly safe, or not.


Excellent introductory post about the game. I plan on quoting you in the future.

Welcome to the game OP! Now go out and shoot someone!

My biggest piece of advice is to remember that it doesn't matter what your skills are. If you are bored in eve its not because you can't do something its because your aren't putting the effort in to do it.

Sir Jack Falstaff wrote:
Dal-Amara Furion wrote:
I have turned my focus from mining and in the direction of finding out what is a good ship to go Pirate Hunting =P

Also, if there are any good "Pirate hunting" guilds out there can anyone point me in the direction?

By "good" I mean decent people. I really don't want to hear a lot of cussing, see a lot of drama, or be a part of an organization that has less than a 5 star rating. I know, I'm a bit picky but I've been a part of those groups and really don't care for them.

Try Eve University. It's a fairly structured (for Eve) learning environment without a lot of cussing or drama (mostly). It's also a good way to see a bunch of different career paths and figure out which you like best.

As for being a pirate hunter, I would suggest growing into that. You certainly can, but you will find that there are many different types of pirate in Eve, and most of them are very skilled at solo PVP. With a little game time under your belt, you'll figure out who's who and who you want to go white knighting against.

As much as I approve of eve university, I have to disagree on the "wait till your trained" approach. The hardest part of preparing for pvp in eve is learning how, and its easiest to do that when you're starting out instead of falling into the trap of training one more skill before you do something.

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