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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#21 - 2014-01-14 00:02:24 UTC
Daggarz BachStaab wrote:
Snaggletooth Slackjaw wrote:

If you are killed during that 15 minutes, the Kill Right will be used up.


This is not true. I accidentally used a smart bomb while I was mining in a small ship. Some other miner had a droid close by and Concord wasted me in 2 secs. This person then placed Kill Rights on me and gave them away for free to two other players. The KR lasts 30 days. I tried to pay off the person but he wanted no part. 40MM ship blown apart in Jita and my pod. I thought it was finally over, Guess What? the other two kill rights that this guy sold for 0 ISK are still active!! And guess what more? They can still sell the KR for 0 ISK during the 30 days - What's really the point of this punishment? So I have lost 2 ships already with another two potential looking over my shoulder, basically held hostage, over a stupid tiny mistake.The punishment for my mistake doesnt fit the crime and I am about to quit the game because I don't pay money to a game to be held hostage for 30 days. Better to quit 30 days and return when the KR disappears. Whoever created this stupid punishment didnt think out all the outcomes or probably didnt care. Sorry for the vent.


This makes perfect sense.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2014-01-14 00:03:56 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
So the real trick, if you feel like exploiting game mechanics (and who doesn't?) is to have a corpmate or someone you trust (or 2nd account alts) activate the killright on you while you're in a rookie ship. Ship is blown up, killright is used up, warp your pod back home safely.


I don't know that I'd call this a "real trick". Blink If only people knew better than to activate killrights on Vindicators sitting on station undock, we might actually get some fun out of the mechanic.

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#23 - 2014-01-14 00:05:07 UTC
Daggarz BachStaab wrote:
Snaggletooth Slackjaw wrote:

If you are killed during that 15 minutes, the Kill Right will be used up.


This is not true. I accidentally used a smart bomb while I was mining in a small ship. Some other miner had a droid close by and Concord wasted me in 2 secs. This person then placed Kill Rights on me and gave them away for free to two other players. The KR lasts 30 days. I tried to pay off the person but he wanted no part. 40MM ship blown apart in Jita and my pod. I thought it was finally over, Guess What? the other two kill rights that this guy sold for 0 ISK are still active!! And guess what more? They can still sell the KR for 0 ISK during the 30 days - What's really the point of this punishment? So I have lost 2 ships already with another two potential looking over my shoulder, basically held hostage, over a stupid tiny mistake.The punishment for my mistake doesnt fit the crime and I am about to quit the game because I don't pay money to a game to be held hostage for 30 days. Better to quit 30 days and return when the KR disappears. Whoever created this stupid punishment didnt think out all the outcomes or probably didnt care. Sorry for the vent.


The killright only lasts for one kill, the suspect timer will last a full 15 minutes though, once used it expires and will not last the remainder of the 30 days :)
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-01-14 00:10:28 UTC
Daggarz BachStaab wrote:
Snaggletooth Slackjaw wrote:

If you are killed during that 15 minutes, the Kill Right will be used up.


This is not true. I accidentally used a smart bomb while I was mining in a small ship. Some other miner had a droid close by and Concord wasted me in 2 secs. This person then placed Kill Rights on me and gave them away for free to two other players. The KR lasts 30 days. I tried to pay off the person but he wanted no part. 40MM ship blown apart in Jita and my pod. I thought it was finally over, Guess What? the other two kill rights that this guy sold for 0 ISK are still active!! And guess what more? They can still sell the KR for 0 ISK during the 30 days - What's really the point of this punishment? So I have lost 2 ships already with another two potential looking over my shoulder, basically held hostage, over a stupid tiny mistake.The punishment for my mistake doesnt fit the crime and I am about to quit the game because I don't pay money to a game to be held hostage for 30 days. Better to quit 30 days and return when the KR disappears. Whoever created this stupid punishment didnt think out all the outcomes or probably didnt care. Sorry for the vent.


You had to set your safety to RED to even use that smart bomb. There is a big warning that comes up when you do that. In this case I think the stupid was punished just about fairly.

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Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#25 - 2014-01-14 11:25:36 UTC
tristar cosmose wrote:
Hi there.

Could somebody please explain how the following is possible?

I enter Jita and hit the "fly to and dock" button on a station. I arrive at the station and in the time it takes to exit warp and dock, I get killed.

I had no timers pending at all but had received a kill right earlier from a player I killed in low-sec.

I'm not familiar with the public side of the kill right system as I have come back to EVE after a long break. I read the email which said "the kill right on you has been made available to all for 0 isk" after making the kill but didn't know what it meant. Please explain how this means I can be podkilled at any time in hi-sec by any pilot without any warning... Do they have to purchase the kill rights through some form of menu system? Or do I appear as a criminal on their overview and can be shot immediately by any pilot without consequence? I was aware they/their corp could exact revenge but it was not them.

This seems to me to be a stupid mechanic - what's the point of the criminal and suspect timers with this in effect? Why would someone ever charge more than 0 ISK to have revenge exacted for them?

What am I missing here, this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.


got a lot of kr on me for 15m or moar and ppl buy them like crazy

edit: and no ist not stupid , its very nice addon

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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#26 - 2014-01-14 12:53:33 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
A pirate tear is a best tear.


He's no pirate, he's a part-timer that doesn't understand game mechanics any more than the guy he podded and got what all part-timers deserve.



Salary?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2014-01-14 12:56:13 UTC
embrel wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
A pirate tear is a best tear.


He's no pirate, he's a part-timer that doesn't understand game mechanics any more than the guy he podded and got what all part-timers deserve.



Salary?


Non-protected income, a contract that could be terminated at any time and zero health insurance

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stationmonkey
Synthetic Arbitration
#28 - 2014-01-14 12:59:25 UTC
tristar cosmose wrote:
Hi there.

Could somebody please explain how the following is possible?

I enter Jita and hit the "fly to and dock" button on a station. I arrive at the station and in the time it takes to exit warp and dock, I get killed.

I had no timers pending at all but had received a kill right earlier from a player I killed in low-sec.

I'm not familiar with the public side of the kill right system as I have come back to EVE after a long break. I read the email which said "the kill right on you has been made available to all for 0 isk" after making the kill but didn't know what it meant. Please explain how this means I can be podkilled at any time in hi-sec by any pilot without any warning... Do they have to purchase the kill rights through some form of menu system? Or do I appear as a criminal on their overview and can be shot immediately by any pilot without consequence? I was aware they/their corp could exact revenge but it was not them.

This seems to me to be a stupid mechanic - what's the point of the criminal and suspect timers with this in effect? Why would someone ever charge more than 0 ISK to have revenge exacted for them?

What am I missing here, this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.


hahahaha "it reads the fine print or it gets podded again" really? you didn't understand "YOUR KILLRIGHTS ARE AVAILABLE TO ALL FOR ZERO ISK? that sentence doesn't make perfect sense to you? For the love of god let me know the next time your flying through space with a killright on you please. I want the easy meat. LOLOLOLOL NOOB


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Stationmonkey
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#29 - 2014-01-14 17:18:08 UTC
stationmonkey wrote:
LOLOLOLOL NOOB

Fly True, Strike Sure, and Keep Up!

Stationmonkey

You tell 'em bro!
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#30 - 2014-01-14 19:39:13 UTC
This sounds like fun! Where do I find out what KR are available and how to activate them?
Heddy Lamarr
New Eden Fedo Lovers Society
#31 - 2014-01-15 00:25:03 UTC
tristar cosmose wrote:
What am I missing here, this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.


I'd say you're missing an industrial ship and a full set of implants :) Look on the bright side, it is extremely funny and a lot of people got a good laugh out of it. That has to make it worth while.
Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-01-15 05:04:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
embrel wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
A pirate tear is a best tear.


He's no pirate, he's a part-timer that doesn't understand game mechanics any more than the guy he podded and got what all part-timers deserve.



Salary?


Non-protected income, a contract that could be terminated at any time and zero health insurance


Welfare is much better isn't it? Right up to the minute you suck the host dry and it dies. Well, I suppose you can go riot in the streets for entertainment after that.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-01-15 16:52:49 UTC
tristar cosmose wrote:
this seems incredibly dumb and it's cost me an industrial ship and full set of implants.

-Tim.


You ganked someone's Hulk, and then died. How is that unfair or dumb? There are consequences to actions in Eve.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#34 - 2014-01-15 16:59:35 UTC
this thread should be in crime and punishment

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Arsine Mayhem
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-01-15 21:11:15 UTC
Tears of a ganker. LOL
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