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Sh0plifter

Underworld Property Accounting Partnership

Likes received: 59

#41 - 2013-12-03 11:17:19 UTC

LaoJtzu wrote:

Of the last 20 fights I've had in Faction War plexes roughly two involved Faction sided opponents. The rest were gankers or random pvp'ers come to exploit the ready availability of targets. And while you're trying to make sure that deep red for their -5 security is or isn't the red of a faction opposite (and not just an ally with low security standings come for a stupidly unannounced visit) they are target locking us and unleashing the first salvo. The NPCs do not attack them. Typically they're older, more experienced pvp'ers. Typically they're flying more expensive ships. Typically, in short, they are much harder than your average FW opponent. Typically, therefore, FW players are not fighting FW players in a pvp arena that is supposed to be faction sided warfare.

Random PVP'ers don't belong in FW plexes. They earn nothing from it but they do gang up on and attack actual players. For the sheer thrill of it. At the very least anything but the FW side of the plex should be attacked by NPCs on sight. More reasonably people who aren't engaged in FW shouldn't be allowed into FW plexes at all.

I would like to keep random PVP'ers from entering any Signatures or Anomalies once someone else has already entered them unless fleeted with the person initiating the site. I would also like for this to include but not limited to: missions, asteroid belts, wormholes and stations.

All PVE'ers are fine to enter however.

NaK'Lin

Seamen Force

Likes received: 70

#42 - 2013-12-04 01:42:13 UTC | Edited by: NaK'Lin

Sh0plifter wrote:

LaoJtzu wrote:

stuff

"I would like everywhere to be hisec and all of EvE to be PVE content. The safety switch should be forever Green and then removed from the game. PVP should only be in duels or when consensual. Actually, I want this to be WoW with spaceships."

Biomass yourself. Now. You've clearly chosen the wrong game.

NaK'Lin

Seamen Force

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#43 - 2013-12-04 01:43:07 UTC | Edited by: NaK'Lin

Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:

sry no, i havent read the answers before me.

But i would appreciate if all non fw-players entering a fw plex would be handled as if they were of the enemy faction and they would be automatically flagged suspect so that u wont lose ss for engaging them.

There's tags for that, you know. Since you seem so adept at killing NPCs, you can get them fairly easy. Plus, i'm sure it'll get you more fights... oh, wait.

Naomi Anthar

Likes received: 387

#44 - 2013-12-04 02:02:59 UTC

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:

"Problem" of neutrals in FW plexes was discussed numerous times already. Denying access to FW plexes for them would undermine sandbox part of the game so i think that simply marking neutrals as suspect would suffice: civilian entering military complex is suspicious at least. That would remove the fear of SS loss in case FW pilot decides to attack 1st, from the side of neutral pilot nothing changes.

So easy fix , propsed by many ignored completly by CCP , why ?

NaK'Lin

Seamen Force

Likes received: 70

#45 - 2013-12-04 02:19:02 UTC

Naomi Anthar wrote:

Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris wrote:

So easy fix , propsed by many ignored completly by CCP , why ?

Use tags, kill a rat, HTFU!
As it stands now, even if you aggress someone first, if they shoot back and reciprocate hostile actions, and so long as you don't pod them, your sec loss is SO minimal that up to a few battleship rats in a belt will do the trick. The drop is TINY when they shoot back.

Fitting warp-core stabs should make you require 100% speed before entering warp, not 75%, as your warpcore gets "altered".

For every additional bad suggestion on "bad neutral pirates ruining my bajillion isk farming plan" i'll make an equally derpy suggestion.

Jeanne-Luise Argenau

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 153

#46 - 2013-12-04 14:00:51 UTC

Fourteen Maken wrote:

Icarus Able wrote:

Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:

This would be a good idea.

You can yellow box them without going suspect, so I don't think it's a big deal really, just yellow box them and wait for them to aggress first, then probably die a few seconds later if your a terribad pvper flying around in half skilled **** fit ships like me. A far
bigger problem is the fact that you're in enemy space with no access to station facilities, while they are usually operating in a home system with off grid boosts, friends to back them up and can go to a staion to ship up at any time, so they have huge advantages.

But they account for the majority of pvp in plexes now, taking them out would turn it into a boring lp grindfest, so I don't agree with the OP, I know where he's coming from, but at the end of the day we earn tons of LP to cover our losses, they only get loot to cover theirs so in the end it all balances out pretty well.

yeah but when u r in a brawler u need to get webs and scrams on them fast so u should try to shoot first

Veshta Yoshida wrote:

Same demand/request comes up every time a newcomer realises that being a militia conscript means wading through rats and other vermin more than it allows for shooting 'real' enemies Smile

Pirates/Neutrals are and have always been a big part of what keeps FW alive, without them it would have degenerated into a 100% pure farming experience rather than the 85% it is.

Now, if CCP would only sit their asses down and cook up a scheme that allows pirates to participate proper in the landgrab so we could have a full on menage-a-trois, complete with tears, blood and forum bashing.

Ought to do away with most farming as every plex, regardless of location and size, would have value to more than one party.

now i do fw mostly for pvp and im honest im not rly good at calculating my chances but its fun so who cares. Thing is in my experience u normaly end up fighting neutrals and they normaly hunt u in the plexxes that i dont mind either but why not make it that u wont lose any ss in a plex because its automatically a consense that both parties want to fight (like a duel, but including fleet fights)

Perkone Caldari State 35
Helios Aquiness Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 35	#47 - 2013-12-04 14:25:41 UTC This is the main diffrence between me and other PvE noobs. I would love to see changes like this made to sute my play style. But I understand why they cannot be done. `Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.`

Evil Leprechaun Brigade 286
Zvaarian the Red Evil Leprechaun Brigade Likes received: 286	#48 - 2013-12-04 14:43:36 UTC It does seem like non-aligned players should at least be attacked by NPCs, and that security status loss should be suspended for FWers within plexes no? Never done FW myself so I'm just going off my theoretical knowledge of it.