EVE General Discussion

The truth really only hurts if it pertains to your or my personal feelings. Given that this isn't an argument about feelings but rather balance concepts, the truth doesn't really hurt...

Ah, confirming you haven't seen the price of machariels lately.



The above is so far removed from reality it should be it's own video game. Where is your evidence that suicide ganking has become "much more prevelent" since 2008? Where is your chart showing that suicide ganking has grown faster than population growth since 2008. Or did you (like very many posters in favor of the broken status quo) simply pull that belief out of your *insert place where no sun shines here*?

Rhetorical question, because we know you don't have any such evidence, you base your beliefs on vapor.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with deep holes.

Width, on the other hand...

that can let people fit a Titan through there when you aren't looking. And then all of a sudden you're getting evicted and you have to find a new hole.

*facepalm*

The Avatar model reference? Anybody?

[Edit: "Titan Man!!!"

And yet, the dev blog doesn't really support your point. The entire point of Null sec is PVP. The entire point of Empire is safety.

Null SHOULD have 3.5 times more pvp deaths than empire.

Again, as far the condor being the most lost ship, another useless stat that doesn't really look at the whole picture.

The point of hi sec has always been safety and ease of play.

The point of null sec has always been better rewards and pvp.

The metrics you post prove that this is the case.

Now as far as your other complaints, I'm not going to argue that getting pirate ships outa highsec is balanced, because its not, not even when you factor in the price between null and hi sec for them.

As far as the meta, well the meta has been garbage since the game came out... for example, why are there are so many different faction BCU's but only like one or two options better than t2 mag stabs. Why are there no meta 2-4 drone mods? Why do we need 3 different types of deadspace armor reps that essentially do the same f-ing thing?

There are so many holes in the module meta right now its not even funny. I guess what I'm getting at, is that with the sisters gear, they need be nerfed slightly, and then have dead space mods and officer mods to make up the difference. The ratios in performance should be the same for all mod meta improvements and the meta should be filled out accordingly. Again, no direct nerfs to hi sec. (because changing sisters gear also affects people that run sisters missions in null sec, its a net neutral nerf in terms of sec bands)

The last data we had is that suicide ganking is far below it's peak.

Well I do mine from time to time, it bring a change of pace, but mining is not actually my main activity.
As far as mining is concerned I feel more and more the pull to take some risk and go mining in Low Sec as a freelance, for the moderate increase in money but also for the thrill of it and the sake of simply knowing there is nothing better to mine than jasp, hemo and hedber.


But I also do missions, mainly L3 I must admit because I don't have enough cash flow to start risking a BS and my skills are not good enough to blitz through L4.
Getting between 50 and 100 milions per hour with high sec missioning seems to be at the marauder level, at least; I doubt a mega or a raven can do that much.

Where EVE echoes real life. One of my side jobs in my organization is compiling locality crime stats for posting to the public and let me tell you, people IRL tend to almost always perceive that "crime" is going up and getting out of control and that life is much more dangerous..... even when living in a country (in this case, the U.S.) where crime is down and violent crime is at 40 year lows..

IMO It's a misconception based on aging, when a person is young they spend less of their time worrying about or even noticing danger or dangerous trends, and as young people have little wealth, they have little to lose (materially) in any event. That same person pays way way more attention to such things in their middle age, and people being people, many tend to think that the things they didn't notice "back in my day" but that they do notice now are some how new and increasing.

Those same people play EVE lol, and are easy to convince that "things are worse than ever with all the suicide ganking" or that "high sec is less safe than it used to be" (despite all the work on crime watch and safeties and HP buffs to some non-combat ships and loads of new defensive equipment introduced over the last few years etc) when the truth is the opposite.

The reality is that the people who think suicide ganking increased when it actually decreased are simply people who now (unlike when they started) own things worth ganking lol. It's no different from the IRL guy who buys a nice shiney sports car or motorcycle who suddenly beleives that auto theft is on the rise.

So, in a game that touts risk vs reward and has always had a scheme of "the more dangerous the space, the better the rewards", you agree that the only reason to risk an expensive ship (like for example my ratting Machariel) is "balls". That proves the point, an imbalance exists.

(don't want to invoke any ISD ire by posting my own killmails, but you can yourself look up my old ratting character Metellus Scipio on battleclinic and laugh at the lost ratting machs and Vindicators among other embarrassing things lol)

Up until recently I used that mach in null sec. I fit to pve and survive (so always with a cloak and MWD, recently went to dual prop mwd/mjd set up and such) and the new mobile depot was something i kept in my cargo with some warp stabs and a target lock break etc. But PVEing in null with a pirate faction ship has become rather nerve racking (Death to all Crows and Taranises!!!). So I shipped my mach to empire and starting doing my null sec PVE with a run of the mill, easy to replace Dominix.

The mach is in empire with my incursion character behind the wheel now, safe in the embrace of CONCORD and my incursion community's logistics group lol. When there are no incursions, that same mach is rolling over missions for sisters or thukker faction high sec agents making every bit as much isk as it would be in a null sec anom farm, in danger.



I really don't like nostalgia, but in this one case I'll do it myself: "back in my day" if you wanted null or low sec level combat PVE isk, you went to null or low sec. Nowadays you just go 6 jumps from jita (osmon) or 8 jumps from Rens (Lannagisi) or wherever good ole Sansha Kuvakei has set up shop (as of last night, somewhere near Agil)......