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Eve Down Under Bombshell: No Sov overhaul until at least Winter 2014

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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#321 - 2013-12-03 01:56:41 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
by the way, a little college tip for you: when you are trying to claim you actually took real classes in a subject remember that the more advanced classes increment the first digit

Also the odds of any given university actually calling their introductory classes "101" is pretty low
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#322 - 2013-12-03 02:01:46 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
by the way, a little college tip for you: when you are trying to claim you actually took real classes in a subject remember that the more advanced classes increment the first digit


Still waiting on the content.

my truth-challenged friend, we went down this rabbit hole because you kept trying to claim things on your own authority while lying about who you are and what your qualifications are

explaining why you are a loon is content

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#323 - 2013-12-03 02:02:31 UTC
Hi guys:

I'm going to claim that 1 + 1 = 3

Then when you ask me if I ever passed kindergarten, I will act with indignation and accuse you of bragging that you passed kindergarten.

Question
Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#324 - 2013-12-03 02:03:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Falin Whalen
Pinky Hops wrote:
Hi guys:

I'm going to claim that 1 + 1 = 3

Then when you ask me if I ever passed kindergarten, I will act with indignation and accuse you of bragging that you passed kindergarten.

Will you shut up, grownups are trying to talk.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#325 - 2013-12-03 02:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Sentamon wrote:
Last I checked, the battle between highsec and nullsec only exists in peoples imagination. Could be wrong tough.


You missed a certain lulzy tear-inducing event a couple weeks ago where a horde of bears tried to invade CFC space straight through the main pipe, all led by what was probably Hilmar's 8-year-old nephew.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#326 - 2013-12-03 02:05:02 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Hi guys:

I'm going to claim that 1 + 1 = 3

Then when you ask me if I ever passed kindergarten, I will act with indignation and accuse you of bragging that you passed kindergarten.

Question

feel free to check back to last page where I laid it out on the line
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#327 - 2013-12-03 02:05:11 UTC
Weaselior wrote:

my truth-challenged friend,


ad hominem

Weaselior wrote:
you kept trying to claim things on your own authority


citation needed

Weaselior wrote:
while lying about who you are and what your qualifications are


citation needed.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2013-12-03 02:12:14 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

my truth-challenged friend,


ad hominem

Weaselior wrote:
you kept trying to claim things on your own authority


citation needed

Weaselior wrote:
while lying about who you are and what your qualifications are


citation needed.

Umm, I hate to agree with a Goon, but shut up. You are not helping. You are actually throwing a tantrum about the possibility of nerfs to highsec.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#329 - 2013-12-03 02:18:12 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Weaselior wrote:

my truth-challenged friend,


ad hominem

Weaselior wrote:
you kept trying to claim things on your own authority


citation needed

Weaselior wrote:
while lying about who you are and what your qualifications are


citation needed.

Umm, I hate to agree with a Goon, but shut up. You are not helping. You are actually throwing a tantrum about the possibility of nerfs to highsec.


The thought of their golden goose being nerfed is probably quite upsetting.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#330 - 2013-12-03 02:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
How the hell did that happen?

I defend myself from a bee swarm of (citation needed) and ad hominem, and all the sudden because of this, I now have been labeled as thinking highsec doesn't need to be nerfed.

This is insane, lol.

I never even made that claim. I think the only thing I said in that vein was that it probably wouldn't be good for the overall game if you /halved/ the amount of highsec production slots....

Ever since then, it was just a torrent of negativity, flames, and random spam directed at me and my character.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#331 - 2013-12-03 02:22:56 UTC
people typically have that sort of feeling after being chained to the water heater
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#332 - 2013-12-03 02:34:02 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
How the hell did that happen?

I defend myself from a bee swarm of (citation needed) and ad hominem, and all the sudden because of this, I now have been labeled as thinking highsec doesn't need to be nerfed.

This is insane, lol.

I never even made that claim. I think the only thing I said in that vein was that it probably wouldn't be good for the overall game if you /halved/ the amount of highsec production slots....

Ever since then, it was just a torrent of negativity, flames, and random spam directed at me and my character.


That's what generally happens. If people don't want to discus facts, simply because they don't stroke with their agenda, they start bullshitting to a point where the one who does have the facts looks like the aggressor. As it normally goes with people who hide in large groups; lots of big words, shouting and 3 word replies but no actual content. Don't be mad at them, just feel sorry for them.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#333 - 2013-12-03 02:41:57 UTC
Look:

The low prices of basic T1 ships/modules and honestly just ships/mods in general, especially so to new subscribers, which is what will keep EVE alive and relevant. Saying you don't want new players is like saying you want the game to die, so I hope nobody says that.

These ships and modules are generated by the industrial type people, a boring job from my perspective but some find it rewarding.

Any hindrance to their ability to produce stuff raises the value of the produced goods and therefore the amount of time required to acquire them...Unless they can "overcome" the hindrance, in which case it wouldn't be a hindrance at all.

It can be somewhat shaky because people can switch roles because of incentives. If all of the sudden production is competitive (higher reward due to increased hindrance), perhaps more people compete to be industrialists and miners, thus equalizing the cost.

But then we have the situation where we are drawing people away from PvP (what I consider to be the fun stuff) and more into boring **** like shooting rocks.

If you want to nerf highsec, fine, but then you would also HAVE to buff nullsec or lowsec, or both. If you just nerfed highsec, all you do is effectively increase the barrier of entry into the game (by increasing the price of goods across the board).

Industry should be efficient. A high amount of wealth in the game keeps prices down and keeps people exploding ships and not worrying too much about it. That's great.

I don't give a crap where the industry comes from in particular. Nullsec, highsec, whatever. It makes no difference to me. As long as it's there, functioning, efficiently, and ideally not requiring too much of the playerbase to feel like all they do is grind repetitive crap over and over.

I wouldn't even try to draw my friends in at that point. "Hey man, want to shoot rocks over and over and over and over?" The response would be NO.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#334 - 2013-12-03 02:44:04 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
How the hell did that happen?

I defend myself from a bee swarm of (citation needed) and ad hominem, and all the sudden because of this, I now have been labeled as thinking highsec doesn't need to be nerfed.

This is insane, lol.

I never even made that claim. I think the only thing I said in that vein was that it probably wouldn't be good for the overall game if you /halved/ the amount of highsec production slots....

Ever since then, it was just a torrent of negativity, flames, and random spam directed at me and my character.


That's what generally happens. If people don't want to discus facts, simply because they don't stroke with their agenda, they start bullshitting to a point where the one who does have the facts looks like the aggressor. As it normally goes with people who hide in large groups; lots of big words, shouting and 3 word replies but no actual content. Don't be mad at them, just feel sorry for them.


Another disgruntled npc-alt.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#335 - 2013-12-03 02:55:29 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
How the hell did that happen?

I defend myself from a bee swarm of (citation needed) and ad hominem, and all the sudden because of this, I now have been labeled as thinking highsec doesn't need to be nerfed.

This is insane, lol.

I never even made that claim. I think the only thing I said in that vein was that it probably wouldn't be good for the overall game if you /halved/ the amount of highsec production slots....

Ever since then, it was just a torrent of negativity, flames, and random spam directed at me and my character.


That's what generally happens. If people don't want to discus facts, simply because they don't stroke with their agenda, they start bullshitting to a point where the one who does have the facts looks like the aggressor. As it normally goes with people who hide in large groups; lots of big words, shouting and 3 word replies but no actual content. Don't be mad at them, just feel sorry for them.

more like, any reasonable discussion on the topic has already been had long ago, and when ignorant-oppositional-highsec-forum-alt-number-two-hundred pops up with false presumptions demanding everything be explained and argued point by point yet again it's not worth engaging them. their opinion doesn't matter, and another npc alt hydra's head will appear three pages on demanding the same anyway
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#336 - 2013-12-03 03:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
i don't even play in highsec. for the last time. i have no way to really prove this to you, but i can't think of anything i said that would suggest i am a "highsec player" besides the fact that i enjoy low ship prices.

that's about all i go to highsec for. i buy stuff. and sell stuff. then i leave.

if having the opinion that nerfing highsec alone and not buffing nullsec/lowsec is bad, makes me a "highsec player" then i don't really know what to say to you anymore.

it's not about highsec or lowsec or nullsec. it's about the EVE economy. it doesn't matter where the wealth comes from, but it needs to be there and it needs to be farmed. if you make industry harder in one area, you need to make it easier in another. straight nerfing highsec without providing an equivalent buff to nullsec or lowsec is a stupid idea.

saying otherwise is basically saying you want high prices on all goods. is that what you want?

what does this have to do with Sov, again?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#337 - 2013-12-03 03:07:10 UTC
Quote:
it's not about highsec or lowsec. it's about the EVE economy. it doesn't matter where the wealth comes from, but it needs to be there and it needs to be farmed.


Typical inflationist highsec argument.

The free farming of isk is precisely what causes inflationary pricing, that puts things out of reach of newbies.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#338 - 2013-12-03 03:12:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
I'd love to see more ISK sinked out of the economy, but the EVE economy is such that sinks and faucets are voluntary roles, which is a problem.

EG, you can choose to be an ISK faucet by running bottable, repetitive missions over and over.

A miner adds a lot more to the economy, as he generates true wealth (STUFF - ships, modules etc) - but that's still a boring as **** job, and very bottable.

I don't know the solution, but I do know that the solution does not involve making it more difficult for minerals and built goods entering the economy, wherever they come from.

ISK is **** and I feel kind of irrelevant. Highsec has always traditionally been a giant ISK faucet (bad for the game) but with high production output (good).

While nullsec has been a material faucet (very good) with crappy pure ISK.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#339 - 2013-12-03 03:17:46 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
I'd love to see more ISK sinked out of the economy, but the EVE economy is such that sinks and faucets are voluntary roles, which is a problem.

EG, you can choose to be an ISK faucet by running bottable, repetitive missions over and over.

A miner adds a lot more to the economy, as he generates true wealth (STUFF - ships, modules etc) - but that's still a boring as **** job, and very bottable.

I don't know the solution, but I do know that the solution does not involve making it more difficult for minerals and built goods entering the economy, wherever they come from.


I know the solution.

Highsec's risk/isk ratio is out of whack, because the intended risk in highsec has not been present for a long time.

That being, wardecs. They can be dodged too easily, to the effect that anyone can if they so choose be immune to any non suicidal form of PvP. Which means they are free to farm their little hearts out.

But start slapping a couple of 30 day killrights on people who drop corp during a wardec, and I betcha that **** stops real quick. That, or let us wardec NPC corps in exchange for being locked out of their stations.

Anything else lets people virtually eliminate the prospect of loss, and all they do is gain and gain, and get fatter and fatter while contributing nothing else to the world at large.

And that's why inflation. And inflation is why the barrier to entry.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#340 - 2013-12-03 03:30:03 UTC
... and the conversation turns to highsec which has absolutely nothing to do with dullsec sov mechanics.

Goon trolls successful.

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