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SB are balanced.

The training time and costs is in the same range of any other T2 frigate. And other T2 firgates are far more versatile.

Single SB can be used in a very limited situations. Basically:

In PVE: only for 2 scenarios:

1. Blitzing lev 4 FW missions (so, a very specific subset of missions, not ANY low-sec level 4 mission as suggested by the OP). And this is only because those missions are designed to be blitzed in this way. And have other drawbacks. And to do it properly need good skilled SB and torpedo, not just only the basic training).

2. Ratting in hostile 0.0 (SB can be a good option, not the best option, but viable)


In PVP:

basically any other ship equipped with a weapon system can eat a SB. Any ship able to deploy a flight of light drones can get rid of a SB. A SB can only harm BS and BC (and all these have drones).

Beside few niches and occasional scenarios other use of SB in PVP involves a specializzed fleet, so their efficiency come from massive numbers or multiplayers organizzation. Stating that SB are OP becuase 10 SB can beat a BS is silly, becuase is a 10 vs 1 scenario, I don't see why a single player shoud have (by game mechanics) the upper hand over 10.

Both of you have limited experiences with what stealth bombers can do.



As pointed out by my post, the bomber doesn't have "niches"; we bring it along for every gank because the insta-point is uncounterable.

Any ship with a flight of light drones _can_ get rid of a solo stealth bomber, but I've still killed plenty of battlecruisers with one to three stealth bombers.



There is a world outside blopsing. We fly bombers all the time without recons. Even if they're glass cannons, the cost of the stealth bombers is just too low for what they're ganking. There's no risk to bringing a covops frig that craps out damage. The fact that it guarantees that you will point your target makes it even better.

While most kills show that the rats have dealt the most damage, the ratting ships tend to be at nearly full HP - otherwise, they wouldn't be effective ratting ships. Stealth bombers work because the ratting ships have no buffer and can't rep the burst damage.

Utter rubbish, you say? As you can see, the engagement profile is just too wide.

Why is the stealth bomber in neut range?


Assault Frigates either don't have the range to avoid neuts or don't do the damage to take down battleships.

They're also not cloaky, so it's much harder to gank things in them.


Again, my point here is that they're good at too many things. I'm saying that the engagement profile is too wide, not that they fulfill their "niche" too well.


We use it to hunt _everything_ because regardless of your fleet, the stealth bomber is the only one that can guarantee point since it has no decloak delay. A gank fleet is always better with a stealth bomber.

Raylu with al l due respect, those links are pretty irrelevant. I believe Shah and the others have answered most of your points well.

We're getting a bit off-topic here. I can't really prove the viability of a ship for solo since there are too many factors in those sorts of engagements.

Regardless of whether solo stealth bombers are a thing, stealth bombers are still too generally useful at other things.



And if all the other things the stealth bomber engaged couldn't be engaged by a stealth bomber, I wouldn't be here complaining. You will note that one of my suggestions was to remove the cloak and just make it a "bomber".

I've always been in favor of leaving the existing bombers alone. I would love to see ships that can also fit bomb launchers. Perhaps a destroyer or cruiser that can fit 2-3 bomb launchers but no covert ops cloak, a battleship or battlecruiser that can fit 8 bomb launchers, and a larger stealth bomber that can also fire multiple bombs and cloak but be more expensive.

Lol OP whut ?

Stealth Bombers are one of the most successful and balanced ships in Eve, plus they are one of the rare ships that require actual piloting skills, excellent squad coordination, reactivity and good 3d awareness.

Smart pilots pick their fights. What is your point?

Why do stealth bombers have to be "rare?" Again you fail to make any sort of meaningful point.

Who said cloaking was useless?

Maybe you could realize SB's aren't exactly hard to train into. Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

What is wrong with mobile ships being able to pick their fights? That's the idea, you trade defenses for mobility.

What is wrong with the length of time SBs take to train into?

Edit: Also I've looked at your KB and I don't see a single SB kill. And it's funny you said bombers are "good at killing small things" when they aren't unless the target is webbed, painted and going slow. Doesn't show a lot of credibility.