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AIDS Loki Fit- PVP

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Arlex Veritas
Care Bears With Claws
#1 - 2013-11-30 13:38:50 UTC
For those of you wondering, missiles are AIDS. Mission whores mostly use missiles, and whores get AIDS. Therefore, missiles are AIDS.

Anyway, going full blown space AIDS with the Loki and am wondering what people's thoughts are. I'm not very good at fitting in general, but on paper this fit seems solid, minus the fact it has low EHP.

Really need some help ironing out this fit if it can be used at all.

[Loki, AIDS Loki]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Valkyrie II x4
Vespa EC-600 x4


Stats- (Level Vs, no implants)

DPS-
751 (805) w/ RF EMP and Rage
576 (658) w/ Barrage and Javelin

EHP-
44,079
82.5/65/70.6/65

Speed-
231
MWD- 1467 (2085)

Basically, range dictation gank fit. I feel like the EHP is really low, but I'm not sure. The DPS is higher than a standard shield loki and way higher than the dual-web loki (it's higher with the range ammo in)

The idea is pretty simple. Most of the time you have the range ammo loaded and just fight outside of everyone elses scram/web range. Keep them webbed and burn them down. Or you can switch to short range ammo, long web down a kiter/inte and blap them really fast with damage ammo loaded.

Thoughts?

(Sorry if this is the wrong spot, I'm sure it'll be moved if it is.)
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#2 - 2013-11-30 13:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Hey, personally I would leave the missile-Loki in the hangar until the balance team came to revisit the subsystem.

Issue with that Loki is the weak tank (in comparison to a tengu), weak applied dps (in comparison to a tengu) and lack of extraordinairy movement (in comparison toa 100mn tengu). If Missiles, rather Tengu right away.

A missileloki though won't become much better than your fit (my opinion), and personally I doubt you'll have notable success using that fit opposed to some regular arty-kite-fits. (Those by now also go for roughly 480dps at long range, including a 30km-web).

Dilemma is: A missileloki is pretty much a terrible claymore, more expensive and lacking all the advantages like utility highs or the application bonus :(

Tl;dr: This loki is very subpar to a loki using the projectile scooping and 5/6 ACs and veryvery subpar to an artyloki with a longweb. Already in a solosituation, moreso in a gang.
Arlex Veritas
Care Bears With Claws
#3 - 2013-11-30 13:59:09 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Hey, personally I would leave the missile-Loki in the hangar until the balance team came to revisit the subsystem.

Issue with that Loki is the weak tank (in comparison to a tengu), weak applied dps (in comparison to a tengu) and lack of extraordinairy movement (in comparison toa 100mn tengu). If Missiles, rather Tengu right away.

A missileloki though won't become much better than your fit (my opinion), and personally I doubt you'll have notable success using that fit opposed to some regular arty-kite-fits. (Those by now also go for roughly 480dps at long range, including a 30km-web).

Dilemma is: A missileloki is pretty much a terrible claymore, more expensive and lacking all the advantages like utility highs or the application bonus :(

Tl;dr: This loki is very subpar to a loki using the projectile scooping and 5/6 ACs and veryvery subpar to an artyloki with a longweb. Already in a solosituation, moreso in a gang.


How so is it more subpar? It has the same speed, slightly worse tank (depending on the details of the fittings, not by much or it can be higher) and noticably higher DPS(which may be a glitch with EFT.) It also has the ability to brawl against targets that would out kite it.

I'm not argueing because I don't believe you, I just am trying to understand what you mean. I also understand a lot of what I'm saying is very EFT warriorish which is also why I'm trying to understand the application in game.

Thanks!
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2013-11-30 19:24:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
I guess question is what are you gonna hunt for with this loki? Without web you are vulnerable to frigs and with running mwd your sig will make you easy target to anything equal to / bigger than you.

You can apply only partial of your paper DPS because if guns can track they instahit but missiles have to travel first. If guns can't track means target is fast so missiles won't hit with full force.

You are not cloaky so can't really jump onto anything barring failures who forgot check d-scan or traps.

Solo inty will pin you down and shoot your drones while doing barrel rolls around you at 4k/s until rest of gang arrive and finish you.

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Arlex Veritas
Care Bears With Claws
#5 - 2013-11-30 23:06:46 UTC
Aight, I see what you're saying. I don't really have the problem, but I can see what you mean about the inty/frigs with this fit. I'd likely just drop the ECMs, wait till point drops and bug. But I can see the risk in that.

What about this fit? More of a gank-esque fit. More damage, web utility but loses quiet a bit less EHP though.

[Loki, AIDS Loki- Gank]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Rage Heavy Assault Missile
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration
Loki Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Valkyrie II x4
Vespa EC-600 x4
ISD Tyrozan
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ISD Alliance
#6 - 2013-12-01 00:27:20 UTC
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