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The 25 Most Annoying Things About Eve Gamers
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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#81 - 2013-11-30 18:54:51 UTC
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25. Gender swappers




For a reason only a player's psychoanalyst could say, some gamers like to go online and play as the opposite sex. Not being honest about gender is a strange side effect of gaming. We're not talking a woman controlling a male character in a game (it's not like there's too much choice still) or a man navigating Lara Croft through Tomb Raider. No, it's in the likes of PlayStation Home. Even beyond that, in other online games, where in particular guys pretend to be girls, typing sexual comments and trying to hook up with men. To be clear, sexuality and gender identity aren't the issues here. It's that these interactions are rarely anything to do with legitimate advances, and are often simply mind games, or tricking the person they're talking to.


Read more: http://www.denofgeek.com/games/28361/the-25-most-annoying-things-about-online-gamers#ixzz2m9lWZToR


As a member of The AMABMWWGA (Association of Middle Aged Black Men With White Girl Avatars) I protest #25. It's just not true.

Now, who wants to hook up with me for isk in the alley behind behind Jita 4-4?

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Valerius Anthar
Nuts Butts and EuroSluts
#82 - 2013-11-30 18:56:47 UTC
Sounds like this article would apply more to games like CoD or BF4 than a sandbox like Eve.
Josef Djugashvilis
#83 - 2013-11-30 18:56:49 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.


What myth about unequal pay?

Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?

Yes, I believe that happened roughly 40 years ago.


You believe incorrectly then.

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Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-11-30 18:57:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.


What myth about unequal pay?

Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?

Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#85 - 2013-11-30 18:58:58 UTC
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.

Oh god.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#86 - 2013-11-30 19:00:55 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.


What myth about unequal pay?

Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?



They have in this solcialist wonderland called EVE. My female corpmates get better ticks that I do in forsaken hubs. Therefore CCP should nerf (real) females.
Josef Djugashvilis
#87 - 2013-11-30 19:01:02 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.



Dear god almighty!

I'm outta here.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-11-30 19:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Skeln Thargensen
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.


What myth about unequal pay?

Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?

Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.


Believe it or not there are women playing this game, i think there's even a chat channel for women of eve.

i doubt they post on the forums though. that would be like <1% of <10% of the player base, statistically.

EDIT: or the other way around. 'not many' is the point.

forums.  serious business.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#89 - 2013-11-30 19:08:44 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.

Right. So you're saying that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice.
Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#90 - 2013-11-30 19:12:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Solops Crendraven
would you like to see more female gamers ? however will it be opening pandoras box?i. the real question is why are they not more female gamers in eve? a idea for another post ? is there a way to lock this post because this is getting annoying we should be talking about ho w to make eve less annoying.Shocked

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#91 - 2013-11-30 19:16:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.

Right. So you're saying that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice.

I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#92 - 2013-11-30 19:22:39 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender.

You're pretty much completely incorrect on both those points.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2013-11-30 19:22:43 UTC
Solops Crendraven wrote:
oops I meant Geek Feminism for th next post I mean thats what you are discussing now right? I mean are you telling me theres actually woman replying to this forum honestly the ones who eve profiles are woman that are posting are you really a females? please answer honestly Im just curious raise your hands

I know of several women who play EVE.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#94 - 2013-11-30 19:25:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender.

You're pretty much completely incorrect on both those points.

Compelling argument.

Oh god.
Lady Areola Fappington
#95 - 2013-11-30 19:32:05 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.



Polite disagreement, fellow CODEling.

It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.


I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.

Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#96 - 2013-11-30 19:34:57 UTC
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.


What myth about unequal pay?

Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?

Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.


idk...I get paid pretty damn well tbh. I have no complaints.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#97 - 2013-11-30 19:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.



Polite disagreement, fellow CODEling.

It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.


I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.

Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world.


I can verify that this happens (the unequal pay part), but there's one misconception.

In what would be considered "men's jobs", more men get hired not because they don't want women, but because more men apply for those jobs.

In any case, this thread probably needs to be locked. It's both completely pointless and completely derailed.

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Solops Crendraven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2013-11-30 19:40:16 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
Solops Crendraven wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.


What myth about unequal pay?

Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?

Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.


Believe it or not there are women playing this game, i think there's even a chat channel for women of eve.

i doubt they post on the forums though. that would be like <1% of <10% of the player base, statistically.

EDIT: or the other way around. 'not many' is the point.
Why is that? How do we get more woman to play eve online and also post on forums or is that not a good idea kinda tricky when it comes to woman issues and gaming wouldnt you think?I really would like to know I just cant figure this one out.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#99 - 2013-11-30 19:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Riot Girl
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.


I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.

Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world.

What you have shown is that in some smaller demographics, a gender pay-gap still exists due to discrimination. This doesn't reflect the whole business world, but tends to occur in smaller businesses. From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others.

Oh god.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#100 - 2013-11-30 19:43:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Riot Girl wrote:
Compelling argument.
Certainly more than yours. But if you want to dig up statistics that show every report on the subject matter published in the last decade to be wrong, or that the last 10–20% of the gap (and I'm being very generous against many western countries here) have really been slam shut in less than a year, then please do so.

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From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others.
So, again, what you're saying is that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice.