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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#161 - 2013-12-02 09:28:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


You have mentioned the Raven once or twice now.

Is this a result of the introduction of the Rapid Heavy?


The BS rebalance made it much better at roaming and yes the rapid heavies are nice things to have. However even before these changes they were a hidden gem for taking out frigate gangs. You would'nt want then in large fleet fights but for small gang/solo work they are great fun.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#162 - 2013-12-02 09:34:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


You have mentioned the Raven once or twice now.

Is this a result of the introduction of the Rapid Heavy?


The BS rebalance made it much better at roaming and yes the rapid heavies are nice things to have. However even before these changes they were a hidden gem for taking out frigate gangs. You would'nt want then in large fleet fights but for small gang/solo work they are great fun.


Very interesting. I had been under the impression for some time that missiles above small size were a big no-no. I believe I shall look into this, I have been improving my missile skills in any case while moving to training for a Sacrilege. It'd be nice to try and fly a Raven for something besides shooting red crosses from 150km away for once.

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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#163 - 2013-12-02 09:46:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
Rapid heavies? I must have missed that one.

Still after all is said and done it's about the only thing that would be rapid on a BS.

Personally I can't get on with them, I had a Raven once, got rid of it as I was not enjoying lumbering around at >75km shooting at other lumbering ships. That's my problem.

I'll stick to interceptors for now but if BS have had an update to improve aspect of the their operating styles I may give it another go. God knows I might need one to help get rid of all the POCOs that have sprung up in my neighbourhood of late.

I can't see the BS becoming obsolete just yet, they do pack a punch and for Lvl 4 missions are an essential.
Wivabel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2013-12-02 11:04:23 UTC
For all the ******** spew in this thread it has made me miss my mega/hyp so much I must go get a few blown up solo in the near future.

Also the Hyp is essentially the old mega so if you want your neut or whatever fly it. it is the solo blaster ship.

Finally fit micro jump drive then pesky little inties have to come within your scram web range to keep you around. Then they become mt easy killamanjaro.

I am not sure if I am going to log in anymore.......
Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#165 - 2013-12-02 11:08:52 UTC
I was flying my PVE Raven to an escalation and it got pointed twice (sheer damn luck that I survived both). I can honestly say I'm never moving my Battleship anywhere ever again after experiancing those two heart pounding moments!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#166 - 2013-12-02 11:10:47 UTC
Battleships are awesome for hisec L4s and other similarly interesting and challenging activities

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2013-12-02 11:18:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
I think everyone that thinks Battleships are fine should take one out for a solo roam. You will start to understand just how poorly they perform.

Saying that a T1 battleship was designed only as a fleet ship is nonsense. Battleships were once very good for soloing. They never became the one and only ship to use, but they were an option. CCP has said they'd like to see ships have diverse roles however they continue to allow battleships only a niche role (disposable cheap insured fleet peon) that is easily filled by other classes of ships if necessary.

I doubt there is any role in EVE that requires a T1 battleship, or any role where a T1 battleship is best disregarding cost.

Frigates have a proper role and also ancillary roles, destroyers have roles and also diverse roles, cruisers have many roles, battle cruisers can perform the role of a battleship, tank and spank and also other diverse roles including soloing.


T1 Battleships on the other hand don't have a primary role, nor do they excel, nor are they useful overly in diverse roles. All they are really good at is shooting red crosses in L4's and safe nullsec anoms.

One of my main annoyances with battleships is their scan resolution:

Look at the following Gallante line of ships:


Thorax - 350mm
Brutix - 250mm
Megathron - 118mm

Looks pretty normal, right?

Now look at it with a sensor booster:

Thorax with sensor booster II - Scan Res Script - 350 to 560 (+210)
Brutix with Sensor booster II - Scan Res Script - 250 to 400 (+150) 50mm more than a Thorax.
Megathron with Sensor booster II - Scan Res Script - 118 to 190 (+82) with 2 sebos it gets 39mm more than a Brutix with no sebo. So 60mm less than a Brutix.

Lets look at it with cloaks:

Brutix with Improved Cloak II - 150mm
Megathron with no cloak - 118mm
Megathron with Improved Cloak II - 78mm

Brutix with a cloak locks faster than a megathron with no cloak and only 40mm slower than a Megathron with a sebo with scan script.

Its ridiculous to nerf the lock as much as it has been. 45 seconds to lock a frigate is stupid, especially after a 30 second cloak delay. There should at least be some sort of reasonable cap, perhaps 20 sec cap on lock times. That's plenty of time to warp out.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#168 - 2013-12-02 11:29:20 UTC
Lucky for you, no one is forcing you to fly ships you don't know how to fly. I've seen plenty of PvP videos and hung around low sec enough to know that people do successfully solo with BSes quite regularly.

Oh god.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#169 - 2013-12-02 11:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Riot Girl wrote:
Lucky for you, no one is forcing you to fly ships you don't know how to fly. I've seen plenty of PvP videos and hung around low sec enough to know that people do successfully solo with BSes quite regularly.

Names?

Also its rather the opposite, I'm being forced NOT to fly the ships I know how to fly most - the Mega.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#170 - 2013-12-02 11:41:28 UTC
I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name].

Oh god.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#171 - 2013-12-02 11:42:18 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name].

So you just made that up?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#172 - 2013-12-02 11:42:43 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I'm being forced



Hyperbole much

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#173 - 2013-12-02 11:46:13 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name].

So you just made that up?

Yeah. No one successfully solos with battleships ever.

Oh god.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2013-12-02 11:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Riot Girl wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
I don't remember their names, you can just search google for solo [insert batleship name].

So you just made that up?

Yeah. No one successfully solos with battleships ever.

Well you can't name anyone, you don't solo battleship yourself so it looks like you're just making it up.

Oh another thing, those PvP solo battleship videos, maybe wanna check the dates on those...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#175 - 2013-12-02 12:00:48 UTC
Uh-huh. Or you can just browse youtube and see for yourself.

Oh god.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#176 - 2013-12-02 12:01:51 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Uh-huh. Or you can just browse youtube and see for yourself.

Yes they're from 2011, 2010, 2009... Can't seem to find any recent ones...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#177 - 2013-12-02 12:02:22 UTC
what elite pvp machariels

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#178 - 2013-12-02 12:13:03 UTC
Every single solo battleship I've seen in Black Rise has died a slow, humiliating death to a bunch of assorted small T1 ships, I'd never even consider undocking a solo BS in lowsec simply for the reason it being a 100% certain one-way trip without a single kill. Even Santo's smartbombing Panther died eventually.

It's just as stupid as soloing in a capital ship.

And the reason? You can't force a fight. Which means you are always fighting on their terms, aka lost before the engagement even started.

Properly supported BS fleets are cool and a sure way to get to fight SNUFF. Which is pretty much the only good thing about battleships in general- there's no "if", it's "when" they drop so you don't have to muck around looking for fights, fight comes to you.

The actual pvp part with BSes is boring and slow as ****, so generally people opt for something that requires more than F1 and broadcasting for reps.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#179 - 2013-12-02 12:13:48 UTC
Adamski flipflop
Trigger Warning.
#180 - 2013-12-02 12:22:30 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I think everyone that thinks Battleships are fine should take one out for a solo roam. You will start to understand just how poorly they perform.

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I mean CCP have said a few times that theyre going to re-balance T3s so they have 1 "role" so I dont think battleships being able to do everything is high on their priority list.