Player Features and Ideas Discussion

For daredevil I'd start by changing the hybrid bonus into a blaster bonus. A big part of the problem with the web is links, namely interdiction maneuvers, which still hasn't been fixed (i.e. nerfed down to a reasonable bonus like 5-10%, or changed into something more sensible). Swapping the web strength out for, say, web resistance or scram immunity would keep the range dictation without being an exploitable blob tool. Pretty much the only daredevils I see are rails, links and faction web (totally immune to getting caught by anything), or part of a gatecamp for efficient blobbing of honourable solo pvpers.

I'd look at just toning down webs in general loads, they're silly. I'd like to see something like standard webs being -50%, or even less. I'd also look at using a much steeper stacking penalty than normal, so things could not be webbed beyond, say, -70% max.

Oversized prop mods would need to be done away with at the same time though, because those are dumb and broken.

The point of this is more relevant small ships in gang fights, other than long range interceptors. Being able to avoid damage from larger ships flown by competent people just never seems to happen. CCP seems to try to work around this by dropping mwd sig bonuses everywhere, which are nice for kiting ships I guess, but not much good on a brawler other than for safely flying over to the things that will kill you, instead of dying on the way there. I think a rework of propulsion, webs, links and tracking/sig would do better. I'm also mad at dread blapping, and want it to go away. It's one of those things like mwd/cloak warping - ccp have made attempts to fix it, but seem to have just given up after they all failed.

Why do they in particular need to do that? I think you're bad.

Well, I'd like to add my 2 cents to this.

The Serpentis have been designed around these web bonuses, and the reason their ships are so expensive is because of their utility.

I think changing these web bonuses entirely will really detract from what the Serpentis ships are designed to do, I mean, you made the Ishtar and Dominix MASSIVELY overpowered, so why would you reduce the bonus that Pirate BS (That cost billions more I might add) have over their tier 1 counterparts? It makes no sense?

I'd suggest thinking alot about how small/med scale alliance use these before you go nerfing them to oblivion, they give us the force multipliers we need to fight greater numbers, without that, EVE will just become blobfest.

Reduce base web strength to 30% and make it so that from multiple webs on target only best one would apply. K, thx.

And seriously, webs are in need of much more powerful nerf than minor bonus change. They are really a bane of EVE and killing most of creative combat maneuvering that was proven in nanoship age: while high ship speeds were indeed stupid dynamic combat flourished at that time because of high ship inertia used to make it possible to counter webs somehow.

Are you actively trying to ruin incursions for everyone step by step? Wasn't it enough to nerf booster efficiency, make most ships except pirate battleships quite useless for incursions, even marauders? Now you consider nerfing Vindicator web efficiency bonuses on top of all? The Vindi has been hit badly enough by the reduced web ranges due to booster changes.

To me this feels like you continue considering ships only in terms of PvP over PvE and just steamrolling ahead with your "vision" without concern for pilots who play the game differently from how you want them to play it. Very sad!

Let me ask you a question: which ship takes over Serpentis' role of ultimate brawlers? Note that unlike navy ships, pirate ships always bring something unique to the table.

I don't mind the rebalance - in fact, if you'll check my past comments, you'll notice that I supported a vast majority of them, Marauders and RML changes included. What I do mind is complete removal of webs, because there is no ship line in game that does what those ships do (anymore). Serpentis ships right now are the go-to choice for the ultimate close range brawling, with a bonus to closest range weapon in game, a tracking bonus AND a web to ensure that their close range dps is applied and overwhelming. However, they also have a clear weakness: they're not the fastest boats around and as soon as something starts kiting them, they have a serious problem.

The problem is, with web removal, that role is gone. For instance, a Vindicator without the web is little more than a bigger brother to Navy Megathron, a clear departure from the current pirate lineup. It would be like turning Machariel into a more powerful Fleet Tempest or Rattlesnake into Raven Pirate Issue. Note that role change itself isn't a problem, we've had many in the past. However, in the vast majority, those changes added to the game, rather than took from it. For instance, a Cyclone change hurt a lot of people, but there was still the Hurricane to take over its old role. Marauder changes are unpopular, but it's fine because their old roles are still there, more or less. Even the recent RLM changes, while hurting a lot of cruiser lovers, are a good thing, because they return HMs to the field, increase the relative presence of Corax and introduce a different (albeit currently unpopular) playstyle.

What does removal of webs from Serpentis ships add? Nothing at all. If 90% webs are overpowered, nerf them by half, add a propulsion that's immune to them, remove the range bonus from faction webs, whatever. That would still be fine, because it still keeps those ships' roles. But as soon as webs are gone, so too is the ships' unique feature and an entire role dies.

That, my friend, is why I disagree with the change and that is why I said what I said.

I'm reading this as just the usual "we small gang pvpers need [overpowered thing] to fight the blobs, why does CCP hate small gang pvp so much" you get with every nerf that gets announced.

The web bonus is just fine because of two things:

1) The price you actually pay for the ship with the bonus

2)The fact, that these ships still only comes with tech I resists.


I do not see a situation where the web bonus is overpowered! Are you thinking solo PvP? Because most of the time, solo'er gets blobbed anyway!

-1 for a change to Serpentis web bonus

The price is the result of the ship being powerful, not the other way around. Do not use it as an excuse.

Your secodn reason means htat Dominix, Typhoon, armageddon, apocayplse, tempest, maesltroms, hyperion, raven, rokh,m scoprion all should have 90% web bonus.


Of all the attempts to justify it, this is the weakest I have ever seen.

They do not losoe the ultimate brwler title. They still do more damage than ANY other ship. if the web bonus is reduced that would still keep them completely in control of that title.

Even if the bonus is reduced to 1% per level they would still be good at brawling.