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[NERF] Serpentis web bonus change

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#641 - 2013-12-06 21:24:15 UTC
Using tp's and 8 unbonused webs.

A Moros with two tracking computers and a strong Drop booster will be able to outdps a battleship against a AB cruiser at 35 km

two vindi webs and 2 tps however and the moros will be hitting for 10k at 20 km and is only outdpsed by battleships against targets closer than 7km

Add a couple more vindi webs and it basically gets full application..

90% webs give dreads damage application vs small targets thats unattainable with normal webs, its not even close.

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NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#642 - 2013-12-06 21:28:07 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Using tp's and 8 unbonused webs.

A Moros with two tracking computers and a strong Drop booster will be able to outdps a battleship against a AB cruiser at 35 km

two vindi webs and 2 tps however and the moros will be hitting for 10k at 20 km and is only outdpsed by battleships against targets closer than 7km

Add a couple more vindi webs and it basically gets full application..

90% webs give dreads damage application vs small targets thats unattainable with normal webs, its not even close.

So again, just because of the dreads, some few ships have to lose its bonus?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Tawa Suyo
C.O.D.E
#643 - 2013-12-06 21:28:38 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Within 15k, for applying DPS, nope, Vindi is pretty much the top tier. Kinda how it was designed to be. Such a bad thing that something is doing the job it's supposed to.



But no-one has suggested nerfing the DPS. In fact, we suggested buffing the application via an extra tracking bonus as one of the alternatives to the web bonus...



Oh, and check my corp history, I used to be in SC. Did I imagine the vindis in fleet with me? Not that I'm sure how your "I fly vindicators all the time" line is helping your point. It's almost like you have a vested interested in protecting your favourite toy... Hardly unbiased balance input.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#644 - 2013-12-06 21:41:38 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Using tp's and 8 unbonused webs.

A Moros with two tracking computers and a strong Drop booster will be able to outdps a battleship against a AB cruiser at 35 km

two vindi webs and 2 tps however and the moros will be hitting for 10k at 20 km and is only outdpsed by battleships against targets closer than 7km

Add a couple more vindi webs and it basically gets full application..

90% webs give dreads damage application vs small targets thats unattainable with normal webs, its not even close.

So again, just because of the dreads, some few ships have to lose its bonus?


No, its also dumb that it can easily hit a maximally sig tanked interceptor
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#645 - 2013-12-06 21:52:26 UTC
Tawa Suyo wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Within 15k, for applying DPS, nope, Vindi is pretty much the top tier. Kinda how it was designed to be. Such a bad thing that something is doing the job it's supposed to.



But no-one has suggested nerfing the DPS. In fact, we suggested buffing the application via an extra tracking bonus as one of the alternatives to the web bonus...



Oh, and check my corp history, I used to be in SC. Did I imagine the vindis in fleet with me? Not that I'm sure how your "I fly vindicators all the time" line is helping your point. It's almost like you have a vested interested in protecting your favourite toy... Hardly unbiased balance input.



And I've posted multiple times on how to counter them, but clearly reading is hard.


I think a few members of SC are just sore they lost their vindi's.

Please expand on how SC is the end all authority for exploits? Watch Out PL, new kid on the block.

Gonna say it again, a dread doesn't need a single web to hit a target. It just needs a moment of carelessness. Vindi's just increase the available window.

Risk Free PVP bro's.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#646 - 2013-12-06 21:58:20 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Tawa Suyo wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Within 15k, for applying DPS, nope, Vindi is pretty much the top tier. Kinda how it was designed to be. Such a bad thing that something is doing the job it's supposed to.



But no-one has suggested nerfing the DPS. In fact, we suggested buffing the application via an extra tracking bonus as one of the alternatives to the web bonus...



Oh, and check my corp history, I used to be in SC. Did I imagine the vindis in fleet with me? Not that I'm sure how your "I fly vindicators all the time" line is helping your point. It's almost like you have a vested interested in protecting your favourite toy... Hardly unbiased balance input.



And I've posted multiple times on how to counter them, but clearly reading is hard.


I think a few members of SC are just sore they lost their vindi's.

Please expand on how SC is the end all authority for exploits? Watch Out PL, new kid on the block.

Gonna say it again, a dread doesn't need a single web to hit a target. It just needs a moment of carelessness. Vindi's just increase the available window.

Risk Free PVP bro's.


Yes, they increase it from "if you press approach directly on the dread" to "if you heat your afterburner and move with maximal transversal"
Naomi Anthar
#647 - 2013-12-06 22:00:25 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Question is, does it matter if a ship does 10 m/s or 20 m/s after hes webbed in a fight?


If not sell your Vindis since you just said that web bonus is useless.

What happend - you just said web bonus is not that good. So yeah we can get rid of it. Noone will care , even you haha.
Naomi Anthar
#648 - 2013-12-06 22:08:07 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
I have literally pages of posts in here, educating you for free. This entire thread is like a charity to help people, such as yourself, who have played a game for almost a decade but havent learned the most basic things.

I think thats a very useful thing to do, and I am thus recommending you continue your education.

But you have shown that you dont have enough education to talk about how the Vindicator is and how it works or on how it should work.

Learn how to fly and use the Vindicator and you will see it pretty fast that the ship is pretty balanced and in no way overpowered on what it does compared to what the other pirate battleships are capable of doing.


Now you kinda sealed me as your mortal enemy on those forums.

You are saying, that other pirate ships are as useful and good in PvP, as Vindicator .... Oh no ................
Michael Harari is completly right ... you are on par in game knowledge with fresh noobs on trial accounts.

CCP cut this web bonus. Time is right.

People like you are reason succubus , phantasm and nightmare are in such position - **** PvE tool at best.
Because obviously everything is balanced and most balanced are ships you are using.
CCP gets such feedback and so they think it's ok.

I fully agree with CCP statement now that this ship lineup is overboard and needs to be in line with others.

So again cut it without mercy. Can't wait for it.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#649 - 2013-12-06 22:17:59 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Stasis webifier effects do indeed have a stacking penalty. It's actually a good point that we should add a mention of that fact to their descriptions.

Don't forget target painters (unless that's already mentioned and I just didn't see it).
EDIT: Nevermind, it is.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#650 - 2013-12-06 23:22:26 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Naomi Anthar wrote:
You are saying, that other pirate ships are as useful and good in PvP, as Vindicator .... Oh no ................
Michael Harari is completly right ... you are on par in game knowledge with fresh noobs on trial accounts.

CCP cut this web bonus. Time is right.

People like you are reason succubus , phantasm and nightmare are in such position - **** PvE tool at best.
Because obviously everything is balanced and most balanced are ships you are using.
CCP gets such feedback and so they think it's ok.

I fully agree with CCP statement now that this ship lineup is overboard and needs to be in line with others.

So again cut it without mercy. Can't wait for it.


Bottom line is to boost the Nightmare and leave the other ships alone.

But i'm sorry to break your bubble though, but CCP has no plans on changing the Serpentis web bonuses for the seeable future as they have mentioned on Twitter. It was just a brainfart they had.

So i bet you still have to poop your pants in fear everytime you see a Vindicator for a long time Lol.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Nag'o
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#651 - 2013-12-06 23:22:51 UTC
I'm still waiting for someone to point a significant difference between the Vindicator and the Navy Megathron other than the web bonus some ppl want removed.

Brain hackz0r. Execute schizophrenia virus. Hyper-phishing activated. Downloading reality.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#652 - 2013-12-06 23:25:21 UTC
Nag'o wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to point a significant difference between the Vindicator and the Navy Megathron other than the web bonus some ppl want removed.



As stated multiple times in the thread, serpentis would have to gain something to compenstate. Nobody has suggested stripping the entire web bonus and leaving it at that.
Nag'o
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#653 - 2013-12-06 23:28:36 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Using tp's and 8 unbonused webs.

A Moros with two tracking computers and a strong Drop booster will be able to outdps a battleship against a AB cruiser at 35 km

two vindi webs and 2 tps however and the moros will be hitting for 10k at 20 km and is only outdpsed by battleships against targets closer than 7km

Add a couple more vindi webs and it basically gets full application..

90% webs give dreads damage application vs small targets thats unattainable with normal webs, its not even close.

So again, just because of the dreads, some few ships have to lose its bonus?


No, its also dumb that it can easily hit a maximally sig tanked interceptor

An interceptor pilot who get's close enough to a Vindicator to get webbed is dumb.
Also, I think this is the only reason a dev considered this web nerf idea, because ceptors are FOTM.

Brain hackz0r. Execute schizophrenia virus. Hyper-phishing activated. Downloading reality.
Nag'o
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#654 - 2013-12-06 23:29:26 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Nag'o wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to point a significant difference between the Vindicator and the Navy Megathron other than the web bonus some ppl want removed.



As stated multiple times in the thread, serpentis would have to gain something to compenstate. Nobody has suggested stripping the entire web bonus and leaving it at that.

Nobody has suggested the opposite.

Brain hackz0r. Execute schizophrenia virus. Hyper-phishing activated. Downloading reality.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#655 - 2013-12-06 23:32:14 UTC
Nag'o wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Nag'o wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to point a significant difference between the Vindicator and the Navy Megathron other than the web bonus some ppl want removed.



As stated multiple times in the thread, serpentis would have to gain something to compenstate. Nobody has suggested stripping the entire web bonus and leaving it at that.

Nobody has suggested the opposite.


Every single person saying the web bonus should be nerfed has suggested adding another bonus to the serpentis line.
Nag'o
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#656 - 2013-12-06 23:35:27 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
Nag'o wrote:
Michael Harari wrote:
Nag'o wrote:
I'm still waiting for someone to point a significant difference between the Vindicator and the Navy Megathron other than the web bonus some ppl want removed.



As stated multiple times in the thread, serpentis would have to gain something to compenstate. Nobody has suggested stripping the entire web bonus and leaving it at that.

Nobody has suggested the opposite.


Every single person saying the web bonus should be nerfed has suggested adding another bonus to the serpentis line.

Please quote a CCP comment on that. I'm not aware of it.

Brain hackz0r. Execute schizophrenia virus. Hyper-phishing activated. Downloading reality.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#657 - 2013-12-06 23:40:37 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3932036#post3932036

Its literally in this very thread, which maybe you should read.

Also in this thread (on the very first page in fact), is Fozzie saying that the dd and vindicator are too strong, and are too strong because of their web bonus.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#658 - 2013-12-06 23:55:03 UTC
Michael Harari wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3932036#post3932036

Its literally in this very thread, which maybe you should read.

Also in this thread (on the very first page in fact), is Fozzie saying that the dd and vindicator are too strong, and are too strong because of their web bonus.

https://twitter.com/CCP_Rise/status/405754627523493888

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#659 - 2013-12-06 23:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Harari
Nobody in this thread has said that pirate tiercide is around the corner.

In fact, i think the original plan was to finish t2 (blops, logi, transports, hictors and covops) before pirates. Caps and supers will get done alongside sov changes, and t3s will be done as well, at some point.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#660 - 2013-12-06 23:58:09 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Michael Harari wrote:
Nobody in this thread has said that pirate tiercide is around the corner.

That's all fine and dandy. However......https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3973319#post3973319

I'll guess the same thing i wrote in the last line there applies to you to.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama