Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The difference must be high because it's a specialized ship. If there was little or no difference then there would be no point in flying the pirate faction. Without a distinctive bonus the Vindicator becomes just a black Navy Megathron.

The reason to apply the turret tracking formula is showing that your "n-times better" comparison is pointless in most of the cases and when it's not the difference is justifiable by the ship role.

The Vindicator is a black hole. It does nothing to a ship at long range, but crushes whatever comes near it. That's the reason for webs and that's the reason for it's ridiculous targeting range. Now ppl are saying the web bonus is OP. I have never heard anyone saying the Vindicator was OP before this dev comment. I can bet a dollar for everyone saying this that they have at least one shameful death to a Vindi on their main's kb.

That's not the point. The point is that 5x Rapiers or 5x dual web Lokis will make any ships go so slow that any blap dreads can hit any ships anyways.

And it's also a point that when enough 60% webs are applied, it doesn't matter anylonger even if your speed still aren't as low as the Vindicator can web someone down to because when the speed comes under a specific point, it doesn't matter anylonger that the Vindicator can web you better.

If a ship does 8 m/s or 15 m/s wont matter as anything can hit those ships.

No amount of rapiers will let a dread hit a AB cruiser. (unless you count doing around 500 dps at 40km)



ok i had to add this here.

Curse - Surely you are joking
Rapier - EHP/res/synergy with blap dreads
Loki - same as rapier except slightly less on the EHP side
Falcon... can't even be compared since its an entirely different kind of ewar.

Marauders.. waht?

Give webs an optimal of 5 km and a falloff of 4.

Would be more interesting.

Analog is always better.

1. The Curse have the full ability to disable your whole ship as it eats up your cap pretty fast. And at the same time can go under anyones guns as it have the ability to tracking disrupt you into oblivion. Not overpowered at all.

2. The Rapier is still able to web you enough from longer distances that it makes it a very powerfull ability. Use 3-4 Rapiers and you are pretty much not moving at all, almost. But then, a Vindicator cost 5-6 times more than a Rapier.

3. The Loki i have with dual Federation Navy Webs that can web out to 59 km with the webs overloaded in a fleet is extremely powerfull and it also have a pretty high amount of EHP. Enough of those Loki's makes the web power insane. So before you will be happy with webs, CCP needs to nerf the webs itself into oblivion, because someone will have a fleet with enough webs fitted that makes ANY ships to be almost stationary anyways.

4. Don't get me started with the Falcon. Everyone knows that it's the most overpowered ewar ship in the game, PERIOD. So thinking you can just get webs nerfed on some few ships and not the ECM's nerfed on some ships is a sweet dream.

And lastly, the Marauders are extremely powerfull for what you are paying for. They gets tons of abilities other ships can dream of getting.

So the point is that the Vindicator will be obsolete without the web bonus it have now in the same way as a Falcon will be useless and obsolete without it's ECM bonuses.

You can always fit two webs and stagger them, you know.

And how do you not understand that it doesn't matter as the speeds are so slow with 60% webs on normal ships that it doesn't matter that the Vindicator webs you better. Once you hit enough low speed, your are as much f**ked with 5x Loki's or even just 5x Megathrons as you are with 1x Vindicator in a fight.

Do you get that?

1. The Curse is one of the most overrated ships around. It has some neat bonuses but its nowhere near overpowered.

2. Web range bonuses should be nerfed too, i just don't hate them as much as 90% webs.

3. ewar t3's need some heavy rebalance yes.

4. ECM is a ****** system.

Pointing out that something is stupidly designed isn't a very good argument to keep something else stupid.

Well, unless I did the math wrong it is not true. After about the 8th web your effective speed is zero (assuming your normal speed is 100km/s)...irrespective of the whether it is a 60% speed reduction or a 90% speed reduction. With the Vindicator it is the 6th web that will get you, effectively to zero.

Even an interceptor is in trouble with 8 60% webs--i.e. he isn't going anywhere.