Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I'm completely fine with nerfing pirate BS. :)

Rise and Fozzie did a good job so far - although some changes were meh, they still make ships usefull, and I have no doubt that Pirate BS's will have their place once they got the pass.

From my point of view (which is way more PvE than PvP), 90% webs are entirely useless as I've never used webs to begin with

From my point of view wardeccing an individual character should be allowed.

In addition to that, I strongly advise them to fly them.

Flying a boat is very, very different from making phantasy fits in pyfa or eft and tell us, they iz strohnkk.

Flying them in 6-CZ49 with players will turn out very different from staring at some values and call it a day.

elitatwo,

I meant fly them too, sorry I should have gone into detail about them getting tested on SiSi, my bad. I think they show fly them, have players fly them, and do gang tests, PvE and PvP tests with them. I'm sure I'm missing some ther tests, but that's all I can think of right now haha.

I know you didn't, I wasn't meaning you were being an ass haha. I was just pointing out you were right, I should have been more detailed and you were right they need to fly them and test them.

Webs don't need nerfed, and pirate ships will still be mostly used for incurs. The webs aren't used much in incurs anyway, ships die too fast for that, or missiles boats would be used more.

I always ran in shield fleets and we did just fine without the -90% web. And because they are liked in incurs they are OP? I don't think so, in PvP they are rarely used usless it's a pretty sure thing the side with them is going to win. PvE Kronos, Mach, RS, Golem, Tengu, Vargur, Nightmare, Paladin, Navy Apoc, gedden, raven, etc etc etc all are used more often then a Vindy. The -90% to web isn't OP. Look how much the Vindy or it's cruiser both are used? The DD use to be used, but it's not worth it much anymore unless you have good armor logi, and even then it's rare. Even the other ships with the bonus the blood raiders aren't used a ton. Those ships if anything need some type of buff so they can use that bonus better, and so they can get back in the game more, that web bonus doesn't need taken out or adjusted at all. And I hope CCP leaves it be. Seem to me MOST pirate faction ships need a slight buff one way or another. Only the Mach seems to need a nerf, if it even really does. Rest need a bit more to them.

Hell CCP is saying boosting needs fix, why? You know how you beat a buffer fit, NEUT it OR have more then one ship, and you win. Buff ships are suppose to work better in small groups or solo BECAUSE you don't have logi then. So how are they OP IF they do what they are suppose to do. They aren't. All this so called "rebalancing" and "fixing" are they really needed, were things really that messed up? No, somethings needed looked at sure, so look at ONLY those things, instead of trying to fix everything, even things that didn't need fixing. This is getting old, and a lot of people are getting sick and tired of it.

Boosting is fine leave it be, MAYBE buff armor boosting a little, shield is fine though
Pirate faction ships, buff them slightly, and if REALLY needed nerf the Mach, but just a very little so it's still a good ship.
I don't even see a reason to mess with T3s anymore, since their command buffs were fixed. They don't do as good as recons, don't do as good as command ships, and so on. Only thing they do well in is combat, and even then you rarely see them, bit costly in ISK and skills to loose one, and they aren't hard to take anymore. Even the Tengu isn't used like it was for PvE since Marauders buff, leave them be. Maybe make a T3 frigate class if anything.
Even the new Cruifier skin, not needed, Golem wasn't needed and so on, leave them alone
Focus on these new jump gates, one the SoE BS, and on a Cald/Min faction pirate race this will give new ship designs
Stop, PLEASE stop fixing what isn't broken!!!

you cant just point to one aspect and cry and say buhuuu its 4 times as strong, a web will shut down ONE thing

as for if you drained down with a neut, how much gets affected by that ?, or if your ECMed ?, keep things in perspective, and the relative consequences

I think we are saying the same thing... The web bonus is important to these ships and should not be changed.

So you are that mathmatically challanged? I suggest you stop postign then because the perception you pass will make anythign you try to defend to look dumber and likely make CCP go opposite direction.


Let me re explain.

0.6 is the modifier. F(Y,X) is (1-y)*x. Y is the web modiifier 0.6 X is the speed. When you apply th web on a ship going 100ms you fo F(0.6,100) = 40. Now you fixate that Y in an F'(x) function andyou can say that F'(X) is a functiont that reduces enemy speed by 60%.

You apply a modifier G(X) over the parameter Y . Resulting in F(g(Y),X). THe G(X) equation is the serpentis bonus of 50%, that can be described as G(x)= 1.5* X. Therefore when you merge the functions you have F(g(0.6),100) It becomes ->

F( 1.5 * 0.6 ,X) ---> (1- (1.5 *0.6)) * X that results in (1 - 0.9) * x that equals 0.1 * X. The resultign function when the serpentis modifier is applied is F''(x) that reduces enemy speed to 1/10 of its origninal value. F'(x) / F''(X) will result in 4.

((1- 0.6)*X) / ( 0.1 *X) -> You remove the equivalents and your result is 4.


Does not matter how much you want to skew the interpretation. The only holder of truth in this universe is math.


And Serpentis web bonus makes a web 4 times stronger.


Stop hitting your head agaisnt a mathematical demosntration, ony makes your message looks stupid and become drerrogatory to your point of view.