EVE General Discussion

CCP totally innovated. Just look at how well that worked for them with DUST.

At least the OP seems to have moved from misrepresenting the inevitability of doom to openly advocating it.

On the Western Union thing: that was very much a pointed observation on your views on the issue. It was in no way relevant to the topic, which seems to have been forgotten among the semifail attempts to troll again.



Nice. Rude, dismissive, totally missed the point, AND OT. You just need to compare me to Hitler to go 10 of 10.

You are the one that brought up business models. That was, after all you I was quoting. I was pointing out that on occasion following "an established, integrated, and successful business model" is a bad idea when the market is clearly changing. Something anyone who's played eve should be very familiar with. While there are three upcoming subscription based MMOs (who's success or failure remains to be seen) it's a model that a large percentage of the industry has abandoned as it is less profitable than subs.

Is it right for everyone?
Personally, probably not.

Do I think CCP is going to expand on Microtransactions in eve?
Yes.

Microtransactions and RMT already exist in eve. They're profitable, and unless CCP management are so high they can't find the door, they're gonna try and find ways to expand on that.

You can argue that PLEX and aurum are somehow magically NOT RMT, but that's an artificial distinction not recognized by the majority of the industry. Now, the lot of you can throw fits, and execute some truly impressive mental gymnastics to deny the obvious, but absolutely none of that is a productive way to address the issue.

So, we come back to the topic: What do we find acceptable? What is the middle ground? How can everyone benefit from this, preferably without overtly changing eve. Because frankly, when goonswarm are more on topic than most other posters, and the OP isn't Mittens...




No it doesn't. Please consult any publication on Real Money Transactions. It does in fact, include 'legitimate' ones such as microtransactions and plex.

I know you are, and it would be nice if you actually started to respond to the points people make, mine included. Calling people trolls because they present facts that don't correspond to your hopes and dreams isn't going to convince anyone.


No. You are the one who's talking about business models. It is, after all, the topic of the thread. Your problem is that you are not particularly informed about the subject. In your examples, you were confusing company policy with product design. If anything, the story of WU's telegraph service proves my point, since they went on to have a pretty much a service monopoly for close to a century and kept the business around for 150 years until new technology well and truly made the old service obsolete.

What they didn't do was replace that service with this newfangled technology because it was totally inappropriate for the product they were selling. Instead, they created separate products to leverage new opportunities. Same as CCP is doing. Thus, I'll repeat the question: you understand why your quote is in every way irrelevant to the business model of EVE, right?

So. To reiterate the point: abandoning an established, integrated, and successful business model that is being used in the industry as an example of what works to jump on a bandwagon that would require a completely different or revamped product and which will lose us a huge portion of our customers as early experiments have shown is a terribly stupid idea.

So no, CCP is not going to change the business model of EVE because there is no reason to and because it would break the product and put their other projects into jeopardy. CCP are aware of this fact and have communicated it clearly.

Not really. I've been pretty tolerant of her for several pages now. Her attempts to troll have followed formula too closely though. Goons have trolled a good many of my threads over the years, and this one even they have been polite and reasoned. Which makes me worry what they're up to now.

I suspect that it's because all the trolling in the world won't actually address the issue. So far, all we've had is wild, flailing threads with all sort of the usual eve forum drama, rather than a calm, rational discussion of the issue.

Posting things like 'I"LL QUIT' has long been a joke here on Eve "Can I haz your stuff?"

Which is a better basis for negotiation? Blasting a statue in Jita while ranting garbage, or being able to present them with a list of potential areas that they can exploit that we find acceptable?

Well duh


There isn't a President of EvE

Though my vote atm is for Tippia, as she makes logic happen

PLEX.

Which has always been there.

And um..

What else is there?

My what? Are you talking about my response to your fundamental misconception about what F2P is. You brought it up; I corrected you.

Like I said: ill- or unfounded.
What do you have to support the claim that CCP is interested in changing EVE's business model? Your entire question relies on your assumption that they are, but you can't offer much in the way of support for this assumption. You've tried to support it with an instance that had nothing to with any business model at all and… that's about it.

Pointing out that there are huge holes in your base assumptions is not trolling, no matter how much you wish it were. Trying to avoid the question and lead the discussion back to questions that might not even be relevant, on the other hand…

No, what my assertion is i that they're interested in expanding on it's existing business model. Which I can guarantee you they most certainly are. You seem to be having a hard time with this so let me underline it: Aurum and plex already exist. They are RMT. CCP is most likely going to try and find new ways to incentive us buying them.





Really? So you've never sold anything you bought via the nex on the market? That does effect the game. You just got isk you did not otherwise have.

Just remember that just because something doesn't give you +5 warp scram strength doesn't mean it has no effect.

Do you know what RMT is? Because by your definition, it sounds like you're referring to a gaming developer making money off their own game as RMT. This is not RMT, and while microtransactions exist in the forum of Aurum, they are cosmetic and certainly not gamebreaking. Not even close.

But if it was RMT, it would be the developers themselves simply making money off their own development. I fail to see the problem there...