EVE General Discussion

I'm still trying to figure out how she thinks it's a 'change' of CCP's business model to increase incentives to buy a product they sell already. I'm not sure if it's me or her that's confused on what a business model is, at this point. Most places have incentives to buy their products. Some even call it... advertising.


Hmm.... CCP announces they're overhauling the neX, home of current in game microtransactions. I wonder why I would suspect they're going to do something with microtransactions?

That argument falls on it's face when a large part of your business is a continued service and you customer's begin to feel that the "incentives" offered somehow compromise the service.

I think so LOL

RMT means Real Money Trading and it's against the EULA Agreement.

Free to play means that the game is free to play and that to do things in the game uses Microtransactions.

If CCP want to they could also change EvE, Dust 514, Ect to be free to play game.

Thats if CCP wanted to do that but I don't think so that CCP would make EvE to become free to play.

Back in 2010 or 2011 where there was a big fallout from the EvE community to stop CCP from doing Microtransactions in EvE.

And CCP did listen to the EvE Community and did put a stop to Microtransactions.

Thats why its better we pay to sub our accounts or buy GTC or Plexes.

OP get you facts straight before posting on the forum please and also do some research on google what the Difference between RMT and Microtransactions are.

Your question has been answered. The core EvE players(those that enjoy EvE more than World of Tanks/Warplanes/Warships) are unwilling to accept any transactions(micro or macro) that have any impact on gameplay. This gameplay encompasses any item which has a purpose outside of the market. Now, about PLEX. PLEX is not and never has been a response to microtransactions. It is a response to illicit RMT. It was designed to be a finite commodity, just as NeX items are, that has no impact on your abilities within the game. Furthermore PLEX is the only such commodity of it's type that we are willing to accept. NeX items should forever remain avatar vanity items, while other vanity items(such as ship skins) are unacceptable as cash shop items.

OP is alt of that new EA CCP guy. Much like that one when we had the $1000 trousers incident, you know CCP HeDoesntWorkHereAnymore.

First, you're attempting to speak for an entire company, the whole of that company's customers and the customers of a whole other company. Now would you like to make some more stupid comments? You would? Great. Obviously you do not represent the core playerbase of EvE Online, as you have had someone quite in touch with said playerbase arguing against you this entire time. If you had any clue what the core of EvE wants you wouldn't be here arguing for microtransactions. Money is only a small portion of EvE Online. I can, at this moment, afford a fair number of carriers. I guess they could make for some great inventory decorations but as I can't fly them, they are meaningless to me and EvE. Second, no matter how many PLEX I buy with cash and sell in game I will have created, here it comes, ZERO ISK. I know, large numbers frighten you, but try to understand just how much zero ISK effects New Eden. Those ships you're talking about? I can create, another big number here, exactly ZERO with an infinite number of PLEX. Can you imagine how many ships I might destroy with zero ships of my own? The only thing PLEX does is shift resources from player A to player B. That is why it has so little impact on the game. No matter how many PLEX I buy, my skills train only as fast as the next guy. No matter how many PLEX I buy, my ship travels only as fast as the next ship. No matter how many PLEX I buy, my weapons do only as much damage as the next weapons do. It is a commodity with a singular purpose: to limit illicit RMT. It conveys no benefits, it conveys no buffs, it conveys no advantages. So long as it remains thus, EvE's core players will continue to support it and we will continue to fight any attempts to introduce any kind of transaction that would affect the gameplay of EvE. This includes, but is not limited to, special ammo, increased training speeds, special ship models and/or skins and any means to create any in game item, resource or asset from nothing.

I believe you are very mistaken here. The reason people mobilized was because there was a perceived threat to the game. All it would take is the return of that threat. Yes, there were other factors, but each of those factors wasn't and likely won't be forgotten by anyone who understood them. This makes catalyzing the next season of rage that much easier. Look around for a moment. See the number of overly dramatic posts labeling each and everything CCP's next "incarna". It's become the staple insult that people won't let go.

This isn't gone and won't be going away any time soon.


Funny enough, the facts of your post here refute those above in that, like you, many others have had their microtransaction concerns heightened by the acquisition,making people more acutely sensitive to the possibilities and more scrutinizing of the possibilities.

Regarding the giveaways, those were complained about as the separate issue they are, and have also seen an adverse reaction to which CCP responded. Even in those cases much of what was given is still in effect vanity due to scarcity and lack of any comparative advantage if not purely vanity and non-game effecting in nature. There have been issues, but again, for different reasons, now creating all new sensitivities. So far CCP marketing has failed miserably in finding a weak point and if these are the insidious attempts at monetization, some of which creating no revenue, I'm even less sure you evidence supports you premise

I'd imagine many PvP enthusiasts here either like the flexibility afforded by mechanics and/or the actions surrounding the act of fighting sometimes as much as the fight itself, some maybe more. I've yet to see that any Wo? game that could capture that as they all revolve around the team deathmatch mechanic. If you want an arcade experience, sure, but for an Eve player of any real tenure, that isn't likely a threat to their sub here.

which is something they have spectacularly failed at if recent events can even be called an attempt at it. Recall the most recent big incident was blink, for which there was no monetary return.

No, I'm stating facts about those, and a prediction based on past behavior and what we can see of CCP's corporate culture. The prediction is, again, my opinion, and you can feel free to refute it, if you like, but please do so with facts and sticking to the context of this thread.




No, but you can sell that plex for isk.

And how many can you buy with that isk? Here's my point with that, which you seem to be failing hard at grasping: with zero isk your skills are meaningless too. Yes, isk moves resources around. But those are, again, resources you would not have without that isk. And selling plex gets you isk.

I'll also ask how you got those skills? Did they suddenly spawn in your hanger or did you buy them with isk from (most likely) an NPC corp? How about blueprints for ships? Sure, you can get a bpc off someone, but to buy a bpo you're probably going to have to spend isk with an npc corp. Oh, look, that means that isk made something spawn in game that was not there before and infinite runs do give you an advantage. (They also let you make your own bpcs to sell or invent). You can have 200m sp, but with no isk and no ships, you're ******, and when the next guy comes along and pods you, guess what? No isk for a clone, you lose those SP.

Saying that isk does not matter is entirely wrong. Ask any major alliance what powers their wars and the answer will always be 'men, minerals, and isk'. In fact, I seem to recall at least one of them bankrolling it's wars with plex sales for isk they otherwise did not have. I wonder if that impacted gameplay?





I think here we disagree. When I asked in Rens, in Jita, and around metro and in Dodixe what people thought about it, the overwhelming response was they simply don't give a **** anymore. Here's the thing, this forum, is always filled with rage against whatever the current perceived slight is. It's a phenomena called a vocal minority. (Like the tea party). Even if you count all the various posters, you can't even be sure that you're not looking at one guy with ten alts or several alts from the same alliance (goonswarm has proven this one on occasion beyond a shadow of a doubt) parroting the official party line.

Personally, at the time, I supported the roll back of incarna entirely. Since then I've come to realize that the 'summer of rage' was a massive mistake,not because of micortransactions, but because it scared CCP away from anything 'new' in game. We've had lots of 'same' ever since, and 'same' is boring. I've had 9 years of playing markets, camping gates, blob/cap fleets, ratting, and flashing mining lasers. And after a while it gets stale. No matter what new paint job you put on it, killing rats is killing rats, ganking is ganking, and so on and so forth.





Yes, but for all the scrutinizing I think they're looking the wrong way. I think they're expecting CCP to go the F2P route, and I think that instead we're going to see something more subtle this time that gradually erodes player concerns,weakening the opposition's bargaining position, first. I've read through the threads, most posts are knee jerk rage posts that are simply dismissed, or ones that make even my most wildly off base assertions in this thread look like I'm a PhD. I don't think rabbling up is going to work the next time it happens. I just don't think the support is there anymore. CCP would have to drop the ball on a scale even more epic than before and make it an obvious and clear threat to everyone in order to get that level of support.


Rather than waste the capital we have, now would be a good time to sit down with CCP and negotiate.

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cash shop underpants will not kill you guys and grow up please and is no pay to win in shops of why do you guys give a **** and the game's been running for 10 years so ccp doing a good job