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How many battleships to kill a dreadnaught?
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Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-11-25 17:27:08 UTC
Out of curiosity I'm interested on how many BS you would needed to destroy a dreadnaught? Assuming a lone dreadnaught with no support ships. give an average load out for each. Also how much time would be needed?



And no I'm not trying to put together a force to gank the Veldnaught
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#2 - 2013-11-25 17:34:09 UTC
2 mil hp is not an unreasonable expectation. considering the age of the veldnaught assume it is completely faction/deadspace fit to the maximum degree possible and plan accordingly.

At 4 mil ehp or so you'll need well over 300 tornadoes to gank his dread in amarr which iirc is a 1.0 sec system ie instant concord response.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-11-25 17:38:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
2 mil hp is not an unreasonable expectation. considering the age of the veldnaught assume it is completely faction/deadspace fit to the maximum degree possible and plan accordingly.

At 4 mil ehp or so you'll need well over 300 tornadoes to gank his dread in amarr which iirc is a 1.0 sec system ie instant concord response.


I'm more looking for a fleet battle situation. But if we assume the tornadoes are allowed to fire multiple volley's lets say 150 to kill a dreadnaught. Against a dreadnaught fleet of say 20 we'll need about 3000 pilots to kill them, and that's even before the enemy bring in support carriers and our own loses.

How many for a titan?
Mra Rednu
Vanishing Point.
#4 - 2013-11-25 17:45:21 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
2 mil hp is not an unreasonable expectation. considering the age of the veldnaught assume it is completely faction/deadspace fit to the maximum degree possible and plan accordingly.

At 4 mil ehp or so you'll need well over 300 tornadoes to gank his dread in amarr which iirc is a 1.0 sec system ie instant concord response.


I'm more looking for a fleet battle situation. But if we assume the tornadoes are allowed to fire multiple volley's lets say 150 to kill a dreadnaught. Against a dreadnaught fleet of say 20 we'll need about 3000 pilots to kill them, and that's even before the enemy bring in support carriers and our own loses.

How many for a titan?


A few.
TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-25 18:01:26 UTC
years ago i was part of an northern Coalition fleet (not NC. [dot] ) . we had about 220 Maelstroms alpha a carrier. I assume a dread would be the same, maybe 2 volleys. Don't forget they cannot be remote repaired while in deployed mode.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2013-11-25 18:14:42 UTC
not that many if you have time to kill. A few neuting ships, a few close range DPS battlehips, a HIC ... it'll die.

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TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-11-25 18:20:57 UTC
Batelle wrote:
not that many if you have time to kill. A few neuting ships, a few close range DPS battlehips, a HIC ... it'll die.


yeah if you mean without alpha-ing the ships, probably only 6 would be needed to kill it.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#8 - 2013-11-25 18:28:36 UTC

A dread without support simply takes time to kill... It has great damage application against stationary targets, but even a non-prop mod BS can outrace it's turret tracking. While in siege, it reps pretty well (5-10k ehp depending on fit), but he'll run out of stront (for sieging) eventually. Alternatively, you can put enormous cap pressure on him with 2-4x neut BS's, at which point he wont be able to rep anymore. Then its only time to grind through his 3m EHP.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-11-25 18:33:00 UTC
Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.

Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare
Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#10 - 2013-11-25 18:48:50 UTC
Wow, that was a lot of buildup to a rumor-mongering post.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#11 - 2013-11-25 19:53:11 UTC
Buy capitals and store them in Carrou or Ignoitton.

Not today spaghetti.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#12 - 2013-11-25 20:01:34 UTC
Posting in stealth nerf CFC thread


also...ibtl

Oderint Dum Metuant
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#13 - 2013-11-25 20:05:05 UTC
it's much cheaper to fly a 300 mil gank hyp with 1100 dps than get dreads around. If you're clever and apply yourself it doesn't take much to go a long way
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-11-25 20:17:25 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ok what I'm really trying to workout is the number of BSs we'll need to hold off a null sec capital assault force when CCP finally jumps off the slippery slope and lets the null sec alliances take sovereignty over empire space, just after CFC has finished off the Northern faction and is null sec.

Since it takes 12 days to built a dreadnaught from a basic blueprint high sec is going to have to fight with sub-capital ships as CFC marches into Jita and Amarr to take over the EVE economy. At least in Amarr they might be able to use the Veldnaught in the defence of the system, in Jita we'll be stuck with conventional ships and throwing the chat scammers at them. Either way its going to result in attritional warfare


wow.

lol. Your entire post seemed to imply fighting a single dreadnought. Now you're just being delusional. First, the idea that hisec is going away is completely delusional. Second, the idea that hisec would form some of united defense force to resist the invaders is also patently ludicrous.

Also, people in empire have always been able to build dreads. You can start building them solo RIGHT NOW if that's what you're worried about. Maybe you meant to post about super-caps?

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#15 - 2013-11-25 20:36:41 UTC
3.1

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-11-25 22:24:48 UTC
When you are done lining your basement with tinfoil please biomass your character.Roll
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-25 22:27:22 UTC
Donbe Scurred wrote:
When you are done lining your basement with tinfoil please biomass your character.Roll


don't be silly, I tried that and got mould on the walls. I'm now using cling film Blink
Donbe Scurred
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-11-25 22:51:20 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Donbe Scurred wrote:
When you are done lining your basement with tinfoil please biomass your character.Roll


don't be silly, I tried that and got mould on the walls. I'm now using cling film Blink


Now you're being silly, cling film won't reflect the lazors and various radio waves.
Jefferson Dubois
The Monkey Wrench Gang
#19 - 2013-11-25 22:54:02 UTC
Something something blue donut

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#20 - 2013-11-26 00:27:49 UTC
Shocked

This thread delivers.
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