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Skills and Isk
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Bekenel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-04 21:45:29 UTC
After 3 years in game I finally decided that I wanted to get into Caps. With a wallet balance of 1.5 bill and Battleship V nearly done I decided to go pick up my Skill Books. Ok, Capital repair systems, 15 mill; fair enough. Capital Remote Armour, 10 mill again fine. Fighters 50 mill, well I can understand that. Capital Ships 360 mill, wait what? Carrier skill 450 mill, That's the same as getting a carrier...

I guess I just don't see the point of the skills being that expensive. In my opinion I would value them at between 100-200 mill, But what do others think?
Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#2 - 2011-11-04 21:53:43 UTC
look at it this way, its the safest isk investment you can make in game, assuming you keep your clones up-to-date. you shouldn't ever lose the skills once their purchased and installed.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2011-11-04 22:10:17 UTC
Yup, they're pricey. Dreads are cheaper, btw. It's just the way it is. And... yeah. That's as much as I have to add.
Idicious Lightbane
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-04 23:13:23 UTC
Dont forget Nanite Control so you can use boosters properly. Its a prereq for Neurotoxin recovery and around 250 mil I believe.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-11-04 23:32:15 UTC
don't forget your support skills m8
Kale Eledar
Venerated Industries
#6 - 2011-11-05 05:07:55 UTC
Look at it this way: It also discourages newer players from even thinking about purchasing them.

It essentially tries to insure that the people looking to get into capitals know enough about the game. If they can afford the skillbook (ignoring PLEX situations) then they probably are ready.

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Ryuce
#7 - 2011-11-05 13:57:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryuce
The game need isk faucets, this is one of them. Yes, these books are quiet expensive, but then again they open up to the end game ship skills, so why wouldn't they be costly?

Idicious Lightbane wrote:
Dont forget Nanite Control so you can use boosters properly. Its a prereq for Neurotoxin recovery and around 250 mil I believe.

These skill books aren't relevant in this discussion. They drop from plexes, thus the price is regulated by the marked, not NPC corps like the capital skills.
Calapine
Xeno Tech Corp
#8 - 2011-11-05 14:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Calapine
Ryuce wrote:
The game need isk faucets, this is one of them. Yes, these books are quiet expensive, but then again they open up to the end game ship skills, so why wouldn't they be costly?

These skill books aren't relevant in this discussion. They drop from plexes, thus the price is regulated by the marked, not NPC corps like the capital skills.


I think you mean to say skill books are an ISK sink, not faucet. Also, Nu-cu-lar. It's pronounced nu-cu-lar. Blink

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Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#9 - 2011-11-06 12:17:57 UTC
The carrier skillbook will let you fly super carriers, hence the price difference compared to the dread skillbook.

Now look up the price for the titan skillbook and you realise the carrier skillbook is pretty cheap.

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Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-07 18:50:53 UTC
Consider it a gentle reminder of the EVE Dogma -

Don't fly what you cannot afford to lose.

If you cannot afford the skill books, you cannot afford to lose the ships.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#11 - 2011-11-07 21:57:34 UTC
I think your wallet is a bit too light to be jumping into this.

Losing one carrier with that bank roll might end up making you tear up.

Save/work for another bil then get after this goal.
Bekenel
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-08 06:54:48 UTC
It wasn't about getting the carrier and it was just having the Skills there. I don't fly anything I can't replace so I understand the importance of having the extra isk.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#13 - 2011-11-09 07:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
A friend is currently training BS 5 for the last time. In 21 days he'll have BS 5 for every race, and be able to pilot every subcap. He started one day after Dr Caymus, but took a lengthy hiatus and doesn't have as many SP (132m).

He has 32b in his wallet, and is complaining about the cost of books he has to buy to train every dread and carrier.

Moral: it never ends, no matter how much ISK you have nor how many SP.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#14 - 2011-11-16 12:50:00 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
A friend is currently training BS 5 for the last time. In 21 days he'll have BS 5 for every race, and be able to pilot every subcap. He started one day after Dr Caymus, but took a lengthy hiatus and doesn't have as many SP (132m).

He has 32b in his wallet, and is complaining about the cost of books he has to buy to train every dread and carrier.

Moral: it never ends, no matter how much ISK you have nor how many SP.


What are the five most expensive skill books in the game anyway?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#15 - 2011-11-16 14:36:19 UTC
I would argue that skill books are way too cheap. For something you only ever have to buy once in your character's lifetime, and allows you to fly a class of ships indefinitely, the vast majority of books costs a negligible amount. I wouldn't mind the cost of books increased 10x across the board, maybe except for the very first starter skills.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2011-11-16 19:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Salpad wrote:
What are the five most expensive skill books in the game anyway?

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente / Minmatar Titan are 5.5 billion each.

I'm not sure on the fifth. Perhaps Capital Industrial Ships at 500 million?

EDIT: not including collector item skills which are no longer available except from players.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-19 12:18:09 UTC
ISK is so totally irrelevant these days that this kind of discussion just makes me laugh.

so it's what? a bil for all the carrier books?
ok, that's 1 day running incursions.
or 2-3 hours running WHs.

whatever man, it's just isk.

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Fedimart
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-11-19 22:21:10 UTC
If the cost of spending a few hundred million ISK for skill books is a problem you're not ready to fly a carrier.
Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-12-31 15:59:39 UTC
Titans are 80b and you can lose them, the titan book is 5.5b and stays with you until you forget to upgrade your clone. It's literally the best investment ever, plus if you can't afford your carrier skillbook yeah don't get a carrier. What are you gonna do in it, rat?
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2012-01-05 17:34:49 UTC
Killstealing wrote:
What are you gonna do in it, rat?


I thought this is what carriers are for. Am I wrong?

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