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Anyne know the origins of 'ratting' name ?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2013-11-25 16:01:08 UTC
“Ratting” as a term to grind hordes of small and useless NPCs goes way back in the history of computer RPGs.
The whole “pirate” thing sounds more like a backformation to make this old term fit within a new environment where there are no rodents to kill for 10 XP + 1 gold each.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#22 - 2013-11-25 16:08:07 UTC
Wanted to be the first person to answer this correctly, but many already have!

Rats.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#23 - 2013-11-25 16:08:49 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.

No one would admit if they did on these forums.


sure I would. But its typical to bad-mouth wow in the same sentence.

Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-11-25 16:18:19 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO.
I don't know…

…wasn't the point of mobs that they could follow you from room to room (hence “mobile”)? EVE rats don't really do that.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-11-25 16:31:55 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO.
I don't know…

…wasn't the point of mobs that they could follow you from room to room (hence “mobile”)? EVE rats don't really do that.


More likely related to the mobs of them you can form and destroy because of the relative power level of an player character toward NPC.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#26 - 2013-11-25 16:48:50 UTC
Ive heard that players close to going up a level would say "I'm going to go kill some rats to level up" and that quickly became "I'm going ratting."

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#27 - 2013-11-25 16:57:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Rat in Eve = Mob in any other MMO.
I don't know…

…wasn't the point of mobs that they could follow you from room to room (hence “mobile”)? EVE rats don't really do that.

Technically (if I remember my RPG days of yonder), what you describe is a roaming or prowling monster (some really ebil ones even hunt players down).

Mobiles are simply anything that can move around at all.

And in the moo/mud case they are actually objects and not just fancy text in the room description.

But caveat emptor, I haven't played either board RPGs nor moo/mud for like 10-15 years and at my age I'm allowed to both ramble about and forget stuff.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#28 - 2013-11-25 22:21:28 UTC
Apologies, but it reminds me of Haggle:

"Rats everywhere. Everywhere I see rats. Always looking at me with their beady little eyes. I show them. I show them all."

"Rat-kabobs! Get your tasty rat-kabobs! Get them while they're hot!"

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#29 - 2013-11-25 22:33:10 UTC
Lors Dornick wrote:
Technically (if I remember my RPG days of yonder), what you describe is a roaming or prowling monster (some really ebil ones even hunt players down).

Mobiles are simply anything that can move around at all.
Yeah, maybe. I can't say that the lingo is up to snuff 20 years after having last played one of those games. Lol
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-11-25 23:14:08 UTC
When I first heard of eve, I pictured the rats one PCGamer reviewer once complained about having to kill dozens of in his Everquest review.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-11-26 01:08:21 UTC
In ancient muds killing rats for gold (knowing that the rats were absolutely no danger to the player) was a thing that people would automate.

Eve online PVE being so goddamn boring and impossible to lose harkens back to the days of whacking a rat to get your gold.
Steven Alfrir
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-11-29 03:27:08 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
In ancient muds killing rats for gold (knowing that the rats were absolutely no danger to the player) was a thing that people would automate.

Eve online PVE being so goddamn boring and impossible to lose harkens back to the days of whacking a rat to get your gold.

Impossible to lose? I warped to a Angel Hideaway and got my first Rifter trashed because there just happened to be 10+ rats and 2 x sentry guns and i couldn'y kill them fast enough so my ship got destroyed along with all the fitted modules.

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Ryhss
#33 - 2013-11-29 03:31:02 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.

No one would admit if they did on these forums.

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Garandras
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-11-29 03:47:32 UTC
Yeah ratting is a tearm from Old MMO's..

I know a played a few text based ones back in the day.. where Ratting was a common tearm
Faenir Antollare
For Ever And Ever
#35 - 2013-11-29 07:50:35 UTC
Fairly sure the term "Ratting" predates any computer game as such, as a child in the early 70`s we would use the term to describe "the hunting of...." as in basically anything we got up to in our play.
Football is a very good example of this (where the term is still commonly used) and would be the one word slang description of when chasing and pressing the ball. Stanley Collymore (a presenter on TalkSport radio) can be regularly heard using the term during match commentary.
Just a commonly used phrase with good adaptability that has enjoyed great longevity :)

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-11-29 07:56:11 UTC
Fr3akwave wrote:
Pezazz wrote:
I always thought it was a callback to RPG terms. Just like using 'rooms' for complexes. Killing ten rats is a classic RPG quest.


The 'classic' MMOs that i have played never used the expression "rats". They rather called them mobs (for monsters) or creeps. I have never played WoW though.


back in the 90's 'mobs' was short for mobile creatures in most muds

i always though 'creeps' was an rts and then a moba term ??
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#37 - 2013-11-29 11:34:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
NPC Pirates.

Pirates.

Pi-"rat"-es.

Rats.


why not mice? they are both vermin, and anoying things that fly around and hassle humans are vermin!

not talking about legit human pirates though cause they can go yarrrrr, a npc cannot
Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2013-11-29 11:40:46 UTC
They should be called TiT

Look guys theres a couple of big TiT's over there aswell as a small pair.


Or in certain missions "omfg were agast with tit's

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