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Mobile Depot - Game Breaking Feature

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#141 - 2013-11-26 17:07:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tippia wrote:

By ensuring he doesn't get the chance to fit nothing but WCSes or by bringing more misdlots or by using methods that don't care about warp stability points.[\quote]


Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?


Erm, why do you think you're automatically supposed to win in a fight like that, where the targeted pilot has done enough (by thinking ahead about what stuff to carry around in his cargo hold) to survive?

snip BS

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Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.

What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Anslo
Scope Works
#142 - 2013-11-26 17:11:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
>says he didnt plan cause herpaderp mod
>planned to bring mods in case.
Wat.

Also, i don't like Jenn much, but he's got more credibility than a whining tart contradicting herself at every turn. Where are you l33t killz, where's your combat record? Where are your credentials?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#143 - 2013-11-26 17:13:26 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tippia wrote:

By ensuring he doesn't get the chance to fit nothing but WCSes or by bringing more misdlots or by using methods that don't care about warp stability points.[\quote]


Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?


Erm, why do you think you're automatically supposed to win in a fight like that, where the targeted pilot has done enough (by thinking ahead about what stuff to carry around in his cargo hold) to survive?

snip BS

.

Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.

What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right?


Yea, because I'm so scared of losing Domiixes lol. I prepared to defend myself long before mobile depots and my fits haven't changed.

You don't get it, and the reason why you don't is you (as usual). You think you are entitled to a kill against a prepared target. You are not. The Apoc pilot thought away and put a mobile depot + mods in his cargo hold, which is more than most people would do. If he gives you the slip because you failed to use the tools the game gives you (A DICTOR) then the loss is your fault.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-11-26 17:14:23 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I'm not the bitching about PvE'ers being smart and PvPers not getting easy kills.
Also ironic. You PvE more but dislike PvEers having more tools to help them survive in lowsec, etc. Lolwat m8.

EvE is supposed to be difficult. What fun is it for me if I can sit in an anom next to an I Win Button with zero risk. I might as well go play World of Warcraft.

EvE is fun because its risky, today I was flying around Pure Blind with a weeks worth of anom loot (billions in mods and bpcs) in a billion isk Ishtar ninja'ing anoms. I had to sneak it through a couple of wormholes, jump in low sec and red rover to high. That's fun for me.

I sometimes spend hours sitting in a covert ops watching people in a hub system, visually checking their ships for weapons, figuring out their patterns and then I kill them based on that intel. Now its going to be warp to target, target refits and nuets, jams, damps, trackign disrupts or fits wcs and laughs in local as they're leaving.

Perfectly boring shite gameplay.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#145 - 2013-11-26 17:16:38 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I'm not the bitching about PvE'ers being smart and PvPers not getting easy kills.
Also ironic. You PvE more but dislike PvEers having more tools to help them survive in lowsec, etc. Lolwat m8.

EvE is supposed to be difficult. What fun is it for me if I can sit in an anom next to an I Win Button with zero risk. I might as well go play World of Warcraft.

EvE is fun because its risky, today I was flying around Pure Blind with a weeks worth of anom loot (billions in mods and bpcs) in a billion isk Ishtar ninja'ing anoms. I had to sneak it through a couple of wormholes, jump in low sec and red rover to high. That's fun for me.

I sometimes spend hours sitting in a covert ops watching people in a hub system, visually checking their ships for weapons, figuring out their patterns and then I kill them based on that intel. Now its going to be warp to target, target refits and nuets, jams, damps, trackign disrupts or fits wcs and laughs in local as they're leaving.

Perfectly boring shite gameplay.


So when they were sheep to the slaughter, that was exciting game play, but now that they can fight back, it's boring.

See what I mean, totally self centered way of thinking. You discredit yourself with every post.

Anslo
Scope Works
#146 - 2013-11-26 17:17:07 UTC
Where's the fun in having an iWin button to gank people without much planning?

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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2013-11-26 17:19:01 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tippia wrote:

By ensuring he doesn't get the chance to fit nothing but WCSes or by bringing more misdlots or by using methods that don't care about warp stability points.[\quote]


Lets play a little scenario.

I'm in a Apocalypse, shooting Bloods in a Sanctum. You're in an interceptor, lets say its a Crow and you're with a friend also in a Crow. You have 2 friends who are in Cynabals. You're going to jump into a renter system, the in system side has 10 large T1 bubbles on the gate (as they usually do) and warp to the only Sanctum and tackle whatever is there. I have a depot deployed. I have 8 heavy neuts. Cap booster. Warrior 2's. 3 webs. 8 WCS. Some sensor damps and the depot filled with Cap Boost 400's.

How do you propose you're going to kill me?


Get in another site and login trap it, or bingo the next site he goes to while he is midwarp. Before Rubicon you were not going to catch a ratter on the ready in the first place if you go through a bubbled gate, and your example showcases a ratter on the ready.

Just like ratters were not ready before Rubicon and you caught them, you will catch unready ones after Rubicon.

To play your scenario, land on the site fast (Rubicon) with the ceptor and bump him out of depot range before he has a lock on you. During the same reaction time you had earlier to escape, you will now have to refit the stabs. Getting out of the bubbles was a time sink comparable to the apoc's align time earlier. However, the ones without the escape depot will be out of luck versus the now overpowered ceptor tackle.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#148 - 2013-11-26 17:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.

What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right?



No, that's 4 PvP ships that haven't put any thought into how to fit their ships in something like a year (Hint, the Apoc could also MJD away from the Intys pretty effectively) losing out on a kill because their target has decided to render himself immobile and take several extra minutes at each and every anom to deploy and scoop a Mobile depot to provide himself with extra safety.


Before the patch, all he had to do to get the same level of safety was "be aligned."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#149 - 2013-11-26 17:21:25 UTC
Stawp. Only ideas for avoiding getting killed, make them think of their own way to kill us.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#150 - 2013-11-26 17:23:14 UTC
The Spod wrote:


Get in another site and login trap it, or bingo the next site he goes to while he is midwarp. Before Rubicon you were not going to catch a ratter on the ready in the first place if you go through a bubbled gate, and your example showcases a ratter on the ready.

Just like ratters were not ready before Rubicon and you caught them, you will catch unready ones after Rubicon.

To play your scenario, land on the site fast (Rubicon) with the ceptor and bump him out of depot range before he has a lock on you. During the same reaction time you had earlier to escape, you will now have to refit the stabs. Getting out of the bubbles was a time sink comparable to the apoc's align time earlier. However, the ones without the escape depot will be out of luck versus the now overpowered ceptor tackle.


So much this.

I know i pick on Infinity, but I know people like this in real life, for which all thinking shuts down when they see something they want or see something as unfair even when it really isn't. Those feeling cloud judgment and Infinity demonstrates this all the times in posts.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#151 - 2013-11-26 17:23:37 UTC
Also, discussions like this are why I love EVE.

"Here is OP thing."

"It's not OP, you just have to do THIS to beat it."

There's always some way.

Also, the fact that MDs exist doesn't mean everyone's using it. Or that it makes sense for everyone to use it.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2013-11-26 17:23:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I'm not the bitching about PvE'ers being smart and PvPers not getting easy kills.
Also ironic. You PvE more but dislike PvEers having more tools to help them survive in lowsec, etc. Lolwat m8.

EvE is supposed to be difficult. What fun is it for me if I can sit in an anom next to an I Win Button with zero risk. I might as well go play World of Warcraft.

EvE is fun because its risky, today I was flying around Pure Blind with a weeks worth of anom loot (billions in mods and bpcs) in a billion isk Ishtar ninja'ing anoms. I had to sneak it through a couple of wormholes, jump in low sec and red rover to high. That's fun for me.

I sometimes spend hours sitting in a covert ops watching people in a hub system, visually checking their ships for weapons, figuring out their patterns and then I kill them based on that intel. Now its going to be warp to target, target refits and nuets, jams, damps, trackign disrupts or fits wcs and laughs in local as they're leaving.

Perfectly boring shite gameplay.


So when they were sheep to the slaughter, that was exciting game play, but now that they can fight back, it's boring.

See what I mean, totally self centered way of thinking. You discredit yourself with every post.


LMAO. They were never sheep to the slaughter. You don't have to fit your ship for max DPS, max Ken Therm, or EM, or leave off a heavy neut or scram. People CHOOSE to do that and that makes them weak against a PVP ship.

The difference here is clearly distinctive. I have to do a lot of work gathering intel, prefitting my ship, I can't drop a depot and anchor it then refit in the middle of a fight lol. What why the guy refits his stabs or neuts and runs away or caps me out? We both know that's horseshite.

All a PvE ship now has to do is put whatever GTFO mods he needs, really only WCS and its impossible to kill them.

Yes its great for you carebears however for EVE and for PvPr's or people like me that do both, its easily the worst and most game imbalancing change that has ever occurred in EVE in the last 10 years. The doctrine of rock paper scissors and the 90% of your PvP is done in station just flew right out the window with in combat refitting 2 million isk depots.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#153 - 2013-11-26 17:25:23 UTC
Hull tank. When they've gotten through your shields and armor, they'll think they've got you and stay and fight. Meanwhile, you kill them.
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#154 - 2013-11-26 17:26:59 UTC
Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down.
Anslo
Scope Works
#155 - 2013-11-26 17:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and tears.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#156 - 2013-11-26 17:30:42 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


The difference here is clearly distinctive. I have to do a lot of work gathering intel, prefitting my ship, I can't drop a depot and anchor it then refit in the middle of a fight lol.


Why can't you?

Quote:

What why the guy refits his stabs or neuts and runs away or caps me out? We both know that's horseshite.


No we don't, we kow it's competition. That's the poiint, you don't want competition, you want a kill.

Quote:

All a PvE ship now has to do is put whatever GTFO mods he needs, really only WCS and its impossible to kill them.


Dictors. Neuts of your own.

Quote:

Yes its great for you carebears however for EVE and for PvPr's or people like me that do both, its easily the worst and most game imbalancing change that has ever occurred in EVE in the last 10 years. The doctrine of rock paper scissors and the 90% of your PvP is done in station just flew right out the window with in combat refitting 2 million isk depots.


You can harken bakc to the olden days all you like LOL. Adapt of leave. I dind't see you complaining about how unfair it all was when people like me had to gimp our fits with things like stabs or MJDs etc in station just to rat because people like you existed. now suck up some of your own medicine.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2013-11-26 17:30:45 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah um, 4 pvp fit ships which had to think ahead and plan their fits vs 1 pve ratter. Fugging absolutely 100% they're supposed to win if he can't warp out.

What planning did he do but throw a bunch of just in case mods in a depot. You have zero credibility Jenn. You're simply happy you can now carebear in null in 200% safety instead of the old 100% right?



No, that's 4 PvP ships that haven't put any thought into how to fit their ships in something like a year (Hint, the Apoc could also MJD away from the Intys pretty effectively) losing out on a kill because their target has decided to render himself immobile and take several extra minutes at each and every anom to deploy and scoop a Mobile depot to provide himself with extra safety.


Before the patch, all he had to do to get the same level of safety was "be aligned."

I didn't fit the ships so how did they fail to fit their ships properly?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2013-11-26 17:32:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.

Sorry but in EVE we don't play paladin and pirate. Everyones a pirate. You don't look for fair fights here, you look for advantages. Wrong game for you I think.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#159 - 2013-11-26 17:32:21 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Infinity, you are NOT a PvPer. Don't insult us by saying you are. You're a gankbear. That's it. A PvPer looks for fights, gudfites. Gankbears look for ganks, easy kills, and pews.
It's people like you that get PvPers a bad rep for being psychos.


Last week infinity was the games best complex runner.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#160 - 2013-11-26 17:32:47 UTC
Jythier Smith wrote:
Kill them while their mobile depot gets set up, or right as they're taking it down.


You keep offering common sense solutions.

The thing is, people like Infinity don't want solutions, they want fixes. It doesn't matter that they could figure it out for themselves, they want CCP to do it for them, that's their mindset.


You might be able to change someone's mind, you will never change their mindset.