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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#521 - 2013-12-03 16:59:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah yay what a fantastic solution hey? You're obviously not reading what I have been posting. You can't reinforce the depots. They carrier pilots will have already reinforced them, whenever they recharge enough shields, the carrier pilot simply has to shoot them again.

Drop depot, shoot it to reinforce, scoop it, eject it, anchor it... now you can refit unless someone blaps its entire 14k of ehp.


So you're saying the Carrier pilots will:

Drop the Depot
Wait 60 seconds for it to anchor (during which time they can't refit from it)
Shoot their own depot to reinforce it (after which point they can't refit from it)
Then scoop it back up to repeat the idiotic process?

No, you can drop it anywhere, reinforce it, put it in your cargo, its shields won't regen unless its deployed. When the carrier gets to their ratting spot the deploy it, and sit next to it. Its now not able to be reinforced as long as the carrier pilot doesn't let it regen back to 30%.


Sounds like a clever tactic to me. I suggest adapting.

On another note, if your solo plan relies on killing something in rep range of a capital logistics ship and 14k ehp is too much for you to pop...

you have more issues than the reinforcement mechanic.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#522 - 2013-12-03 18:26:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

We don't post kills. They're still training up at the moment though. Only a month old. Insanity Claws, Bruiser Subjourne, Rasta Danyel, Derry Ayre, Sparky 'Sparks' Tyrell, Little Baltec (he's Baltecs and my Love Child!) and my lovely L Dopa gopher *****...

Be taking them to VFK shortly to practice on Goons...


Solo = an ISboxed bomber fleet? And did you just refer to you and your other accounts as "we"?

Get some friends? noooooo I want to be solo. (so I'll get a bunch of accounts which is the same as a bunch of friends and NOT solo)

What the hell did the goons do to you to create such a vendetta? You fell for the recruitment scam didn't ya...
Jythier Smith
BGG Wolves
#523 - 2013-12-03 18:40:19 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

We don't post kills. They're still training up at the moment though. Only a month old. Insanity Claws, Bruiser Subjourne, Rasta Danyel, Derry Ayre, Sparky 'Sparks' Tyrell, Little Baltec (he's Baltecs and my Love Child!) and my lovely L Dopa gopher *****...

Be taking them to VFK shortly to practice on Goons...


Solo = an ISboxed bomber fleet? And did you just refer to you and your other accounts as "we"?

Get some friends? noooooo I want to be solo. (so I'll get a bunch of accounts which is the same as a bunch of friends and NOT solo)

What the hell did the goons do to you to create such a vendetta? You fell for the recruitment scam didn't ya...




Your avatar looks like Nic Hawk.
Omar Pyreheart
Fabricated Reality
#524 - 2013-12-03 20:11:06 UTC
Why not just have rats generally primary Depot's when they arrive on grid, just like a player would in PVP?

Seems like this would prevent many of the abuses, yet still allow strategic use no?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#525 - 2013-12-03 20:26:04 UTC
Omar Pyreheart wrote:
Why not just have rats generally primary Depot's when they arrive on grid, just like a player would in PVP?

Seems like this would prevent many of the abuses, yet still allow strategic use no?



That's a logical suggestion.

You might make someone take 15 seconds longer to run the same mission. Why you want nerf? Cool

Meanwhile, I can hear the drooling of all those people who will be "MD tanking".



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#526 - 2013-12-03 23:39:38 UTC
Omar Pyreheart wrote:
Why not just have rats generally primary Depot's when they arrive on grid, just like a player would in PVP?

Seems like this would prevent many of the abuses, yet still allow strategic use no?

Looking at the recent changes it seems likely imo the devs want Eve to be more "mainstream".

Maybe they've decided its time to milk it for as much as its worth who knows. The ability to only engage in consensual pvp, refit in space, tractors, reinforcement timers everywhere, player owned gates (which likely will be used to create safe farming systems) basically casual player features, it seems all aimed at people who might be turned off by the original harsher EvE.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#527 - 2013-12-04 01:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Omar Pyreheart wrote:
Why not just have rats generally primary Depot's when they arrive on grid, just like a player would in PVP?

Seems like this would prevent many of the abuses, yet still allow strategic use no?

Looking at the recent changes it seems likely imo the devs want Eve to be more "mainstream".

Maybe they've decided its time to milk it for as much as its worth who knows. The ability to only engage in consensual pvp, refit in space, tractors, reinforcement timers everywhere, player owned gates (which likely will be used to create safe farming systems) basically casual player features, it seems all aimed at people who might be turned off by the original harsher EvE.


Honestly... all that just makes you sound really paranoid, particularly in lieu of the counters you've ignored that explain why you have no rationale to back these claims. I really think you're just mad you missed a few targets that didn't want to fight you. Me too... well, I'm not mad, but people get away from me all the time. They were well prepared, good for them.

You think everyone's going to be well prepared? You think everyone is going to avoid fighting? Honestly, why don't you start looking for people who want to fight instead of those who don't, then we'll see, maybe, what you're really complaining about.

People aren't carebears because they don't want to fight, or because they escape and aggressive attacker. The way I see it, it just means they know enough about EVE to do so, to go about their own way and avoid confrontation. It also doesn't mean that's how they play the game. I landed on a Heron today that got away... didn't want to fight. Came back about 15 minutes later looking for me in a Corax. Honestly, I'd much rather a fight with a Corax than a Heron anyway, it was much more entertaining than just melting an exploration ship with two volleys.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#528 - 2013-12-04 01:22:02 UTC
Hey check this out from the update notes today:

Quote:
NPC Sentry Towers will no longer attack deployable items (such as the Mobile Tractor Unit).



See I guess they.... fixed.... uh... ooookay...

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#529 - 2013-12-04 04:46:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah yay what a fantastic solution hey? You're obviously not reading what I have been posting. You can't reinforce the depots. They carrier pilots will have already reinforced them, whenever they recharge enough shields, the carrier pilot simply has to shoot them again.

Drop depot, shoot it to reinforce, scoop it, eject it, anchor it... now you can refit unless someone blaps its entire 14k of ehp.


So you're saying the Carrier pilots will:

Drop the Depot
Wait 60 seconds for it to anchor (during which time they can't refit from it)
Shoot their own depot to reinforce it (after which point they can't refit from it)
Then scoop it back up to repeat the idiotic process?

No, you can drop it anywhere, reinforce it, put it in your cargo, its shields won't regen unless its deployed. When the carrier gets to their ratting spot the deploy it, and sit next to it. Its now not able to be reinforced as long as the carrier pilot doesn't let it regen back to 30%.


It still takes 60 seconds to deploy. Plenty of time to shoot though 14k EHP.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#530 - 2013-12-04 09:52:50 UTC
This thread is complete rubbish

Its pointless

Seriously, there is no purpose to this

Depot working as nintendoed

If you dont like it, think around it

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#531 - 2013-12-04 10:30:12 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
This thread is complete rubbish

Its pointless

Seriously, there is no purpose to this

Depot working as nintendoed

If you dont like it, think around it


Smartest post so far. EvE PvP is now similar to Nintendo.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#532 - 2013-12-04 10:34:17 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Smartest post so far. EvE PvP is now similar to Nintendo. [/quote]


Sorry, I didnt realise puns were beyond you

But now you come to mention it


Yeah PvP is a small grey box that you insert other grey boxes into

You the smart

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Eridanii
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#533 - 2013-12-12 21:32:32 UTC
Doesn't it go into reinforced at 25% shields, which it has 5k of.... so you need to "Chew Through" 3.7k ehp to reinforce it, right? That would take less than 20 seconds in a Frig, or like 10 seconds on average for a cruiser.

Why not anchor a bubble next to it while the guy is doing sites? He warps back, stuck in bubble, stabs do nothing--run from bubble, has no stabs, catch 22.
Miilla
Hulkageddon Orphanage
#534 - 2013-12-12 21:33:59 UTC
§As you stated yourself "Very Clever".. Yes you got outsmarted, so go either outsmart them or move on.