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The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#421 - 2013-11-28 10:08:50 UTC
Kaarous:

Dropping a depot otoh is a lazy thing to do and doesn't deprive you from fittings or immobility while ratting. It doesn't so much compete with watching local as it does with being aligned or fitting escape tools. As a nullsec ratter its a no brainer.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#422 - 2013-11-28 10:09:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
The Spod wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Frozen Chief wrote:
Oh man, all the tough guys on page 1 ganging up like that. So many childish personalities on this forum, quite sad really.

The OP has a fair point if you guys would pull the head out of the butt. Amarr BS have 7-8 low slots; when I escape you, your buddy, or your two buddies every single time, you'll understand why "L2P" or "get some friends" is code for "I can't think critically about any criticism so I'll say the dumbest thing that comes to my mind".

We're not even discussing ECM now. Like as if ECM wasn't already overpowered; good luck dealing with my 5 x Falcon multibox fleet when I can refit my ECM modules to exactly what I see on grid.


You're kidding about the Falcon thing, right?

Have you actually used the mobile depot? It takes 60 seconds to deploy. If you uncloak your Falcons, drop those things, and still have 60 seconds to refit... yeah.

What a ludicrous statement.

Secondly, the guy literally above you suggested bumping. Doesn't matter at all how many warp stabs you have if you are not aligned. And considering you seem to have taken the 60 seconds required to drop a depot and refit when you saw a local spike...


The general claim is a depot drop becomes standard upon landing on site as a precaution. The 60 second deploy is to a big extent a strawman in this scenario.

Everyone dropping the depot on the other hand... Remains to be seen. Everyone had escape tools available before Rubicon (heavy neut/ecm drones/bubbling gates) and only few used them. The depot has a very big advantage in the immobility; it competes mostly with ratting aligned as a precaution. Ratting aligned is rather inefficient on pretty much all setups, so the depot should become very popular.

The common ground is that interceptors are horror without depot escape, making nullsec ratting scary. "Ratters, have friends" could apply, but for the effort the isk should be better then IMHO. Overallthings change and there is whining.

While its true everyone had all of these things available before Rubicon and the failpot, they actually had to fit them. We all know most ratters are lazy and all about the "Best Ticks" and their mentality is usually to maximise the best tick at the expense of defence.

So while they had all of these things, they didn't fit them because they're generally stupid. Now they can be stupid and fit them as well.

Also interceptors are not horror for nullsec ratting. For anyone with a brain, who listens to intel and checks local and doesn't go to the best anom in the system, they're easily able to dock up before the inty find they're not actually at the best anom (the one sanctum) and they're at a forlorn hub insted. Its too late for the intie.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#423 - 2013-11-28 10:13:24 UTC
The Spod wrote:
Kaarous:

Dropping a depot otoh is a lazy thing to do and doesn't deprive you from fittings or immobility while ratting. It doesn't so much compete with watching local as it does with being aligned or fitting escape tools. As a nullsec ratter its a no brainer.


Oh, I understand. I just don't think it will be as easymode or as widespread as people seem to think.

I do see it as a significant buff to droneboats, though, as you seem to be aluding with the "immobile" part. In particular I can imagine it's use with an Armageddon to pretty much render yourself un-gankable.

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Truly Faithfull
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#424 - 2013-11-28 11:27:21 UTC
I believe there's no way a depot should have a reinforce timer, it should be insta pop to increase the risk level of losing your extra fittings. Having a timer for something this small is one of the worst adds to Rubicon.

Maybe it would be better if you couldn't access your depot or change fittings if you were locked or something like that? So that as some say you wouldn't be able to "shape" the battlefield against unexpected guests?

I really like the depot, it really adds a way for a solo pilot to explore further into enemy space. It's a nice addition to the game, I just hate the timer.
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#425 - 2013-11-28 11:38:53 UTC
Just page 1 of the responses depresses me. Surely the average age of eve players is on the increase

The oP raises a valid point
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#426 - 2013-11-28 11:48:43 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The Spod wrote:
Kaarous:

Dropping a depot otoh is a lazy thing to do and doesn't deprive you from fittings or immobility while ratting. It doesn't so much compete with watching local as it does with being aligned or fitting escape tools. As a nullsec ratter its a no brainer.


Oh, I understand. I just don't think it will be as easymode or as widespread as people seem to think.

I do see it as a significant buff to droneboats, though, as you seem to be aluding with the "immobile" part. In particular I can imagine it's use with an Armageddon to pretty much render yourself un-gankable.

…unless someone takes the trivially easy step of nuking the depot. Blink

CraftyCroc wrote:

Just page 1 of the responses depresses me. Surely the average age of eve players is on the increase

The oP raises a valid point
Not really. He's mainly whinging about how new tools and strategies means he can't always use his old tools and strategies, and prefers the newness to be removed over having to take a minute or so to think what he can do to counter it.
Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#427 - 2013-11-28 11:59:08 UTC
The tears flowing upwards? Very nice.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#428 - 2013-11-28 14:48:31 UTC
Icarius wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

My sympathy goes out to you half-wits though. Now you'll have to use your brain which may cause pain and/or burning smells.


I prefer my brain and my half-wits though to your insignificancy



Let's all stop for a moment and admire the stupidity in that statement. Insignificancy isn't even a word. Just using the spell checker would have led him to the word insignificance which is what he wanted to say. No wonder these imbeciles are having trouble...even the spell checker is too much of a challenge.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#429 - 2013-11-28 15:22:05 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Icarius wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

My sympathy goes out to you half-wits though. Now you'll have to use your brain which may cause pain and/or burning smells.


I prefer my brain and my half-wits though to your insignificancy



Let's all stop for a moment and admire the stupidity in that statement. Insignificancy isn't even a word. Just using the spell checker would have led him to the word insignificance which is what he wanted to say. No wonder these imbeciles are having trouble...even the spell checker is too much of a challenge.


I'm being a bit of a pedant here but it is actually a word, insignificance is more commonly used though. Doesn't stop the poster who used it being a bit of a tool though.

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Serdar Tyrnx
#430 - 2013-11-28 15:23:08 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Icarius wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

My sympathy goes out to you half-wits though. Now you'll have to use your brain which may cause pain and/or burning smells.


I prefer my brain and my half-wits though to your insignificancy



Let's all stop for a moment and admire the stupidity in that statement. Insignificancy isn't even a word. Just using the spell checker would have led him to the word insignificance which is what he wanted to say. No wonder these imbeciles are having trouble...even the spell checker is too much of a challenge.


I'm being a bit of a pedant here but it is actually a word, insignificance is more commonly used though. Doesn't stop the poster who used it being a bit of a tool though.

Don't Troll, apparently it's illegal

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Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#431 - 2013-11-28 15:25:37 UTC
Depots are neat, yes.

OP, may I ask: how do you Sabre?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#432 - 2013-11-28 15:32:42 UTC
Serdar Tyrnx wrote:

Don't Troll, apparently it's illegal

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Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

You need to learn the definition of the word troll. Insignificancy appears in at least 3 different dictionaries. Personally I wouldn't use it, as it seems to be an Americanism but heyho.

Also stop being butthurt because you got moderated for trolling.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#433 - 2013-11-28 15:34:06 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
Icarius wrote:
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:

My sympathy goes out to you half-wits though. Now you'll have to use your brain which may cause pain and/or burning smells.


I prefer my brain and my half-wits though to your insignificancy



Let's all stop for a moment and admire the stupidity in that statement. Insignificancy isn't even a word. Just using the spell checker would have led him to the word insignificance which is what he wanted to say. No wonder these imbeciles are having trouble...even the spell checker is too much of a challenge.


I'm being a bit of a pedant here but it is actually a word, insignificance is more commonly used though. Doesn't stop the poster who used it being a bit of a tool though.


Conversate is in the online dictionary too. I assume they added these words for reasons I would get banned for explaining.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#434 - 2013-11-28 15:36:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
^^ TBH I agree, it doesn't even sound like a proper word, but both the online and hardcopy Oxford English Dictionary lists it as a derivative of insignificant. I put it in the same class as "could care less", "conversate", "irregardless" and all the other bastardisations of English caused by people being grammatically lazy.

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Serdar Tyrnx
#435 - 2013-11-28 15:39:16 UTC
Hey guess what Nobody cares.


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Dr0000 Maulerant
Union Nanide and Tooling
#436 - 2013-11-28 15:40:54 UTC
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Depots are neat, yes.

OP, may I ask: how do you Sabre?


Clearly, poorly.

Tell me again about how every playstyle you dont engage in "doesn't require any effort" and everyone who does it needs to die in a fire. Be sure to mention about how you tried it once but it was too easy/boring/ethnic-homophobic slur. 
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#437 - 2013-11-28 15:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Serdar Tyrnx wrote:
Hey guess what Nobody cares.


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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#438 - 2013-11-28 15:46:45 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
^^ TBH I agree, it doesn't even sound like a proper word, but both the online and hardcopy Oxford English Dictionary lists it as a derivative of insignificant.


You're kidding...my old copy of a Websters doesn't have it. Pretty soon LOL will be in there too. Then we can all conversate about the insignificancy of LOL in the degeneritation of double-plus ungood caterization to intellectually challenged peoplez.
Serdar Tyrnx
#439 - 2013-11-28 15:47:53 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Serdar Tyrnx wrote:
Hey guess what Nobody cares.


Quote:
19. All posts must be related to EVE Online.

Posts regarding other companies and products or services are prohibited and any content of this nature will be removed. Posts regarding other games are however permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum for the purposes of discussion only.

Quote:
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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.

When you have the letters GM, ISD or CCP in front of your name you can lecture us on the rules, if a member of the moderation team deems posts to be off topic they'll sort it, of course you are welcome to report any posts you deem to be breaking the rules.

Now you hurt my feelings :'(
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox
#440 - 2013-11-28 15:51:45 UTC
Dr0000 Maulerant wrote:
Streya Jormagdnir wrote:
Depots are neat, yes.

OP, may I ask: how do you Sabre?


Clearly, poorly.



I wasn't just joking either. With the warp speed acceleration changes and Ascendancy implants there is no reason to not use a dictor for quick "tackle" in null/wspace.

OP, there is your solution. That, and as suggested by others, reinforcing the depot as soon as you land and tackle.

I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.

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