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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#361 - 2013-11-28 04:05:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You think wrong. Even if they all magically could land there within 1 millisecond he can still warp.

The server and client don't communicate in millisecond ticks so that's pretty irrelevant. And again, that would only apply if he saw them coming. In which case, fair game.

I'm guessing you have never been to null hey? If you had you would understand that local ensures that everyone see's you coming. That's why you have 10 bubbles on the gate. It allows you to rat in peace, knowing that you will never be able to get caught before you can warp to POS or station.

And you're wrong about the server ticks. It does matter. If you arrive and tackle a millisecond before the next tick you don't have to wait the extra second. But that's of course completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Edit: Inties and T3 excluded, though T3 warp slow enough that you can still get away.

Human reaction in a millisecond is something I think we can all count on not happening, and bubbled system entrances + local provided enough warning before this that if you were caught it was often because you weren't paying attention, in which case having a mobile depot won't save you as it will be RF'd by the time you would be aware enough to use it.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#362 - 2013-11-28 04:18:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You think wrong. Even if they all magically could land there within 1 millisecond he can still warp.

The server and client don't communicate in millisecond ticks so that's pretty irrelevant. And again, that would only apply if he saw them coming. In which case, fair game.

I'm guessing you have never been to null hey? If you had you would understand that local ensures that everyone see's you coming. That's why you have 10 bubbles on the gate. It allows you to rat in peace, knowing that you will never be able to get caught before you can warp to POS or station.

And you're wrong about the server ticks. It does matter. If you arrive and tackle a millisecond before the next tick you don't have to wait the extra second. But that's of course completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Edit: Inties and T3 excluded, though T3 warp slow enough that you can still get away.

Human reaction in a millisecond is something I think we can all count on not happening, and bubbled system entrances + local provided enough warning before this that if you were caught it was often because you weren't paying attention, in which case having a mobile depot won't save you as it will be RF'd by the time you would be aware enough to use it.

You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

I think this will probably be a band aid solution until they nerf the depots:

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
100MN Afterburner II

Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

Covert Ops, Has 50k EHP (can't be helped much), +9 points of scram, more than any ship can fit WCS, 3.7 second align, can warp through a bubble, can withstand nuets and has 60 something sensor strength.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#363 - 2013-11-28 04:36:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

By that premise, no one dies in null anyways making this conversation moot.

Also, yes, I've been to null, I've died to doing dumb things, and I've seen other do the same. But hey, if you have to be asleep to lose a ship than the mobile depot changes nothing.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#364 - 2013-11-28 04:46:14 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

By that premise, no one dies in null anyways making this conversation moot.

Also, yes, I've been to null, I've died to doing dumb things, and I've seen other do the same. But hey, if you have to be asleep to lose a ship than the mobile depot changes nothing.

No it changes everything. You can get away with being asleep now.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#365 - 2013-11-28 04:50:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

By that premise, no one dies in null anyways making this conversation moot.

Also, yes, I've been to null, I've died to doing dumb things, and I've seen other do the same. But hey, if you have to be asleep to lose a ship than the mobile depot changes nothing.

No it changes everything. You can get away with being asleep now.

No, if someone is asleep you RF their mobile depot.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#366 - 2013-11-28 04:57:02 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

By that premise, no one dies in null anyways making this conversation moot.

Also, yes, I've been to null, I've died to doing dumb things, and I've seen other do the same. But hey, if you have to be asleep to lose a ship than the mobile depot changes nothing.

No it changes everything. You can get away with being asleep now.

No, if someone is asleep you RF their mobile depot.

We're not talking about being actually physically asleep - we're talking not being aligned, temporarily distracted by npcs, whatever. That just means they don't warp before you get there, you're still not going to kill 17k of ehp before they can refit once you show up on their overview.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#367 - 2013-11-28 04:57:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
My Tengu was equipped with the following:

Christ... What even is this fit.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#368 - 2013-11-28 05:01:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
My Tengu was equipped with the following:

Christ... What even is this fit.

Show me another ship that can stop depot refitting 7 WCS battleships, warp through bubbles, align quickly, not get capped out when they fit nuets that works better and I'll use it, otherwise...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#369 - 2013-11-28 05:03:40 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
My Tengu was equipped with the following:

Christ... What even is this fit.

Show me another ship that can

Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling I need to walk with
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#370 - 2013-11-28 05:06:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

By that premise, no one dies in null anyways making this conversation moot.

Also, yes, I've been to null, I've died to doing dumb things, and I've seen other do the same. But hey, if you have to be asleep to lose a ship than the mobile depot changes nothing.

No it changes everything. You can get away with being asleep now.

No, if someone is asleep you RF their mobile depot.

We're not talking about being actually physically asleep - we're talking not being aligned, temporarily distracted by npcs, whatever. That just means they don't warp before you get there, you're still not going to kill 17k of ehp before they can refit once you show up on their overview.

Being aligned won't leave you in range of your depot for long, and you don't need to kill 17k EHP if already deployed, only 3.75k to RF it, disabling it's fitting functions. If not deployed you have 60 seconds before it becomes a factor.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#371 - 2013-11-28 05:08:49 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

I think this will probably be a band aid solution until they nerf the depots:

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
100MN Afterburner II

Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

Covert Ops, Has 50k EHP (can't be helped much), +9 points of scram, more than any ship can fit WCS, 3.7 second align, can warp through a bubble, can withstand nuets and has 60 something sensor strength.



LOL, infinity Ziona does it again.

Months ago, Ziona went on this whole rant baout "deep null" being to safe. So, what does he do? Why, he goes to null (in a lul fit shield proteus no less) and kills people, solo....

So the place that was so "safe" was in fact no safe because one person with a badly fit ship could go there and kill people (and he totally ignored the fact that this doesn't happen not because null is to safe, but because high sec peole are to scared , risk averse and lazy to replicate what he himself did). In short, Ziona's own actions proved him wrong.

And he just did it again. "OMG, mobile depots need t be nerfed because its impossible for a solo guy to catch and kill ratters now"....several pages later "oh and now here is a ship that a solo pilot can use that can mount so many scams that no ship can warp stab their way out of it , and this solo ship is immune to neuts and bubbles and has gobs more EHP than any 'ceptor!".

We been doin it wrong boys, You don't disprove what Infinity says by counter posting, just let Infinity disprove himself, as he eventually always does lol.


Sarcasm off, you did just prove our point Infinity. That point being that rather than running to CCP to fix a problem you should try to figure out counters to that problem yourself 1st and maybe if that doesn't work after long trial and error, then consider talking about it on the forum. YOU said it was impossible for a solo person in one ship to kill ratters now, you were wrong. And you wouldn't have been wrong if your 1st instinct would be "innovate" rather than "whine".

If you would whine less and drop the childish (and in no way worthy of a 40 year old man) hyperbole, you might garner more respect and support from you gaming/posting peers. As it stands now what you do solidifies opposition to the things you say.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#372 - 2013-11-28 05:08:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
My Tengu was equipped with the following:

Christ... What even is this fit.

Show me another ship that can

Show me the meaning of being lonely
Is this the feeling I need to walk with
Tell me why I can't be there where you are
There's something missing in my heart

Blobbing isn't about not being lonely, its about being afraid.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#373 - 2013-11-28 05:10:44 UTC
Also, about that tengu fit, a Cap battery would be nice because of the chance they give you to resist neuts, maybe consider trading a shiled rig for an astronautincs rig that lets you warp or get into warp faster.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#374 - 2013-11-28 05:10:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You'd have to be asleep to not notice. You obviously have not been to null.

I think this will probably be a band aid solution until they nerf the depots:

[Tengu, New Setup 1]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler
100MN Afterburner II

Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Small Nosferatu II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Tengu Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier

Covert Ops, Has 50k EHP (can't be helped much), +9 points of scram, more than any ship can fit WCS, 3.7 second align, can warp through a bubble, can withstand nuets and has 60 something sensor strength.



LOL, infinity Ziona does it again.

Months ago, Ziona went on this whole rant baout "deep null" being to safe. So, what does he do? Why, he goes to null (in a lul fit shield proteus no less) and kills people, solo....

So the place that was so "safe" was in fact no safe because one person with a badly fit ship could go there and kill people (and he totally ignored the fact that this doesn't happen not because null is to safe, but because high sec peole are to scared , risk averse and lazy to replicate what he himself did). In short, Ziona's own actions proved him wrong.

And he just did it again. "OMG, mobile depots need t be nerfed because its impossible for a solo guy to catch and kill ratters now"....several pages later "oh and now here is a ship that a solo pilot can use that can mount so many scams that no ship can warp stab their way out of it , and this solo ship is immune to neuts and bubbles and has gobs more EHP than any 'ceptor!".

We been doin it wrong boys, You don't disprove what Infinity says by counter posting, just let Infinity disprove himself, as he eventually always does lol.


Sarcasm off, you did just prove our point Infinity. That point being that rather than running to CCP to fix a problem you should try to figure out counters to that problem yourself 1st and maybe if that doesn't work after long trial and error, then consider talking about it on the forum. YOU said it was impossible for a solo person in one ship to kill ratters now, you were wrong. And you wouldn't have been wrong if your 1st instinct would be "innovate" rather than "whine".

If you would whine less and drop the childish (and in no way worthy of a 40 year old man) hyperbole, you might garner more respect and support from you gaming/posting peers. As it stands now what you do solidifies opposition to the things you say.

You're missing one important point. Solo'ing in this would be suicide. It'd only be viable if you had a gang that could get there quickly and save your ass before your meagre ehp ran out.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#375 - 2013-11-28 05:20:06 UTC
I would like to point out that, unless I am very mistaken, you cannot use saved fits instantly with the depot.

So this rabid speculation about "insta refits to warp stabs" is 100% bullshit.

They'd have to click and drag each one out of their inventory. If they do that fast enough that it's done before I get on grid in time to shoot the depot? I have no issue with them getting away.

Also, I don't hunt alone.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#376 - 2013-11-28 05:22:44 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're missing one important point. Solo'ing in this would be suicide. It'd only be viable if you had a gang that could get there quickly and save your ass before your meagre ehp ran out.


Not missing that point at all. Your main complaint is about 'ceptors not being able to tackle ratting ships. Or are you saying that INTERCEPTORS should be able to solo a battlship/battlecruiers?

The tengu (and any other tech3 ship properly fit) can tackle a ratting ship even if it has a mobile depot, so that others can come kill it, that means that the advantage the ratter gets against the new fast warp/bubble immune ceptors is useless against tackling tech3s.

Rock, meet paper and scissors.

Feel free to ignore the truth contained in the rest of my post. But you know I'm right, you jump to the "ccp help me" act way faster than you should.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#377 - 2013-11-28 05:26:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're missing one important point. Solo'ing in this would be suicide. It'd only be viable if you had a gang that could get there quickly and save your ass before your meagre ehp ran out.


Not missing that point at all. Your main complaint is about 'ceptors not being able to tackle ratting ships. Or are you saying that INTERCEPTORS should be able to solo a battlship/battlecruiers?

The tengu (and any other tech3 ship properly fit) can tackle a ratting ship even if it has a mobile depot, so that others can come kill it, that means that the advantage the ratter gets against the new fast warp/bubble immune ceptors is useless against tackling tech3s.

Rock, meet paper and scissors.

Feel free to ignore the truth contained in the rest of my post. But you know I'm right, you jump to the "ccp help me" act way faster than you should.

No it means the interceptor is useless unless you have lots of them. It also means you have to gimp a 500 million isk T3 to substitute as an poor interceptor because one module was introduced that rendered all small tacklers useless.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#378 - 2013-11-28 05:30:15 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

No it means the interceptor is useless unless you have lots of them. It also means you have to gimp a 500 million isk T3 to substitute as an poor interceptor because one module was introduced that rendered all small tacklers useless.


The interceptor is designed to be flown in packs, by it's very nature of being as fragile as it is.

And as for "small tacklers are useless", that's not true.

One small tackler is useless against someone who has prepared for it. Having friends on the other hand is overpowered as always.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#379 - 2013-11-28 05:35:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're missing one important point. Solo'ing in this would be suicide. It'd only be viable if you had a gang that could get there quickly and save your ass before your meagre ehp ran out.


Not missing that point at all. Your main complaint is about 'ceptors not being able to tackle ratting ships. Or are you saying that INTERCEPTORS should be able to solo a battlship/battlecruiers?

The tengu (and any other tech3 ship properly fit) can tackle a ratting ship even if it has a mobile depot, so that others can come kill it, that means that the advantage the ratter gets against the new fast warp/bubble immune ceptors is useless against tackling tech3s.

Rock, meet paper and scissors.

Feel free to ignore the truth contained in the rest of my post. But you know I'm right, you jump to the "ccp help me" act way faster than you should.

No it means the interceptor is useless unless you have lots of them. It also means you have to gimp a 500 million isk T3 to substitute as an poor interceptor because one module was introduced that rendered all small tacklers useless.


And yet you don't understand that without the mobile depot as a balance, 'ceptors would make ratting ships useless. It would be wildly unbalanced.

Which brings me back to an old point that you (imo in cowardly fashion) refused to address: would you be willing to trade interceptors new abilities in warp speed and/or bubble immunity in exchange for nerfed mobile depots?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#380 - 2013-11-28 05:39:28 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

You're missing one important point. Solo'ing in this would be suicide. It'd only be viable if you had a gang that could get there quickly and save your ass before your meagre ehp ran out.


Not missing that point at all. Your main complaint is about 'ceptors not being able to tackle ratting ships. Or are you saying that INTERCEPTORS should be able to solo a battlship/battlecruiers?

The tengu (and any other tech3 ship properly fit) can tackle a ratting ship even if it has a mobile depot, so that others can come kill it, that means that the advantage the ratter gets against the new fast warp/bubble immune ceptors is useless against tackling tech3s.

Rock, meet paper and scissors.

Feel free to ignore the truth contained in the rest of my post. But you know I'm right, you jump to the "ccp help me" act way faster than you should.

No it means the interceptor is useless unless you have lots of them. It also means you have to gimp a 500 million isk T3 to substitute as an poor interceptor because one module was introduced that rendered all small tacklers useless.


And yet you don't understand that without the mobile depot as a balance, 'ceptors would make ratting ships useless. It would be wildly unbalanced.

Which brings me back to an old point that you (imo in cowardly fashion) refused to address: would you be willing to trade interceptors new abilities in warp speed and/or bubble immunity in exchange for nerfed mobile depots?

If I was an original dev, I would likely be in the bathroom vomiting over the depot. Its easily the worst and most carebear change every introduced, worse than timers and that's saying something. Easily would trade those abilities to get rid of the depot turd.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)