EVE General Discussion

People did tell them. Just like CCP was told that RLML changes sucked and they needed to fix HM's and HAM's instead CPP still implemented it. Why? Because they don't listen to 'mere players'.

I can't read your mind, so whatever fiction you've concocted is hidden to me.

You're one of those grindbears so that's not really that weird, let me explain.


- Orca

The idea for the Orca being a mining support ship makes full sense, the fact that it can run mining links is fine and having an SMA is fully defendable and ok. However, it didn't need a corp hangar, there's zero demand for it and I bet not even 1% uses it to actually restrict access to certain items. Most people use it for general cargo and would actually be happy to not have it at all and see an increase to normal cargo instead. Reality is that there's only ONE reason for said Orca to have a corp hangar; now miners won't need to use jetcans any more. Because CCP realised that miners are too stupid to use their brain matter to work around that issue (it really isn't difficult) they decided that miner shouldn't be held accountable for their own inactions and thus the Orca got a corp hangar.


- Orca changes

I'll be the first to admit that the tricks you could pull with an Orca were "a bit silly", thing is of course that the chance of a mining OP using an Orca will be much higher than the chance of some can flipper having one so if the miners weren't stupid they actually could use those tricks themselves. Thing is of course that CCP realised fairly quickly that miners are indeed dumb and shouldn't be held accountable for their own inactions and thus those options were restricted.


- wardec/crimewatch

While the original situation was a bit fiddly it really wasn't difficult at all, it just required ppl to think about it for 5 minutes, read the wiki and then you'd know .Thing is of course that CCP realised that grindbears are dumb and should not be held accountable for their own inactions and while one might be able to defend the "if you steal everyone can attack you" the actual reason behind that change is of course that grindbears now don't need to have the 3 braincells required to form a corp to defend their mining OP, and on top of that it means dealing with wardecs is a lot easier because you can be in npc corp just fine.


- mining ship changes

The fact they got their EHP increased makes sense, cost vs EHP etc, although the amount is quite silly. More importantly; smart people, and smart miners, would fit some sort of tank on their hulk to avoid being an easy gank but CCP of course realised that miners are dumb and shouldn't be held accountable for their own inactions so instead of going "well, you have the option, you just chose not to" they changed mining ships in a way that even miners go "hhm what to put in that last low slot, can't be cargo expanders... perhaps a DC?" or at least you'd hope but, per usual, most don't because that takes brain effort. But still, the changes made it bloody obvious, even to most miners, that they probably should fit a DC.


- Marauder changes

CCP frantically trying to find a "home" for the MJD is defendable, thing is of course CCP realised that grind bears are dumb clowns who shouldn't be held accountable for their own inactions. With MJD they don't have to watch local at war time, they don't have to run their Dscan at war time, they probably won't even need teamwork or scouting at war time because as we all know that takes a bit of brain effort and teamwork. All they really need is to be TOLD "fit MJD and you're good" because grindbears couldn't figure that **** out on their own. That really cool "Immune to Ewar" bastion thing is of course icing on the cake; can't use a big/slow ship to catch them and can't use a small/fast ship with Ewar to kill them.



And it goes on and on and on, this really started to gain momentum since 2008-2009 (conveniently after Oveur's "we want 300k subs") and it's a little bit here and a little bit there. Perhaps not noticeable to the 0.0 lolfleet bears but it has been happening, bit by bit. Every time again. Look at 0.0, what does it accommodate for? grind bears.

This is a bad post. Seriously. Learn to target and fire on mobile depots. This invalidates every word you just typed. It's all complete BS to a person who can reinforce a mobile depot. If you can't manage that you weren't going to kill much anyways.

8 seconds with that lone interceptor. And if you can't do it with 2 of them AND a pair of Cynabals, I just don't have the right words for how bad that is.

Yep. It's fine. You're assuming someone in space sitting next to a mobile depot who is reacting within seconds of you hitting local. I'm okay with that guy getting away.

I think you're exaggerating too much, WoW'ification of EVE would be dumbing it down not including MORE items to play with that adds strategic depth. Interceptor are not meant as solo uber pwn ships although you can use one but they are meant to be used with other ceptors or ships, adding the mobile depot adds more variety in gameplay especially that they can be used while in combat, being limited to rock, paper scissors is not always a good thing, with the depots you have unlimited ways of killing your opponent (don't think just of WCS) and this helps everyone who uses them, from solo, carebear or fleets. (e.g fighting an opponent with autos then he gets out of range you switch to artillery and kill him xD) now you have to really "adapt or die" so... get to it.

The 2 interceptors cuts the time to RF to 4 seconds, if warped as a group i would think all land on grid at the same time as the warp mechanic is still supposed to keep groups together at the slowest warp speed. Given reaction time a 1 sec ticks in input I'm still not seeing the issue, if someone lands right on you prior to being able to react it's not likely they are going to be ready to instantly make that switch and if they are, why should their awareness not be rewarded?

You think wrong. Even if they all magically could land there within 1 millisecond he can still warp.



Hit a nerve there did I little bear? :)

I'm guessing you have never been to null hey? If you had you would understand that local ensures that everyone see's you coming. That's why you have 10 bubbles on the gate. It allows you to rat in peace, knowing that you will never be able to get caught before you can warp to POS or station.

And you're wrong about the server ticks. It does matter. If you arrive and tackle a millisecond before the next tick you don't have to wait the extra second. But that's of course completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Edit: Inties and T3 excluded, though T3 warp slow enough that you can still get away.

Edit 2: Actually that's probably going to be one of the only solutions to this issue. Covert Ops Nullified Dissolution Tengu, with 3 +3 scrams and nano's.