Ships & Modules

(non Magogrief post)

obviously I agree with a lot of this. Winning in small gang pvp is about choosing targets, and choosing targets means being able to control range in your engagements and disengage if necessary. Hybrid philosophy is completely at odds with this, and it simply doesn't work outside of EFT.

The Deimos will never be as good as the Vagabond.

Could you bold the sentences with actual suggestions to that it becomes more easily accessible? Considering that everyone and their dog has the ultimate answer to balance and voice it frequently it IS much to ask to read an essay which might or might not contain anything new at all.

Sir you are the king of overly Long posts.

That is almost in the annual report of all things hybrid class.

I did manage to force my self to read about half of it.

I still am pissed they did not boost the speed of Caldari boats as well.
It is totally stupid all Caldari ships will be so slow now it is not funny.


Rokh with 2 speed Mods is still slower then a buffer tanked rigged Megathron even with the current stats let alone the buffed ones.

Fix that FFS

it's not like some people clamour for a good buff for hybrids but are willing to compromise (in my case, asking for a huge dps boost accompanied by a range cut), no siree. We all want blasters to be like AC/pulses Mk. II and bask in their (relatively to blasters) OPness.

Pretty much totally agree. I wrote something a while back and will copy it here, to me it seemed to cover certain ideas you had as well:

This will be written with bullet points as there's several things to cover. And this is assuming you don't go down the path of making Minnie the optimal race (zero falloff) and gallente the falloff race, which is a good theory, as if minnie are fast enough to control range then make them ******* use it to constantly keep optimal or they lose all dps. And if gallente are slow as **** surely they need to be able to hit at a variety of ranges (with reduction in dps) more than ******* minnie. Anyway....

First:
Bring other turrets down a bit to be not stupid OP.

# Scorch ammo needs range cut by 33-50%. Abaddons with no optimal range boneruses shouldn't be able to have 45km optimal with scorch and 10km falloff.

# All crystals should take 10 seconds to switch/reload. **** roleplay reasons, this is game balance reasoning.

# The bonus to falloff given by tracking enhancers should be substantially reduced from the current (T2 is 30% bonus. I don't know a decent value but let's just say cut by 50%). The current level of falloff reached with autocannons is ******* ridiculous.

# Base tracking on autocannons should AT MOST be 50% of the equivalent blaster. They usually fight at long ranges, meaning that while they move faster their relative speed to the target is lower and so tracking isn't as necessary. Plus all those tracking enhancers which are practically mandatory on minnie ships will boost tracking a little anyway. Blasters should be the best tracking of all turrets. Too many minnie pilot can keep range and pick off frigs with awesome tracking and then race up beside a target and brawl the **** out of it due to having good enough tracking to get right up beside them.

# INCREASE fitting requirements of projectiles to more closely match those of hybrids and lasers. An option people often ask for is to make it easier to fit the top tier of hybrids but, using blasters as an example, this completely makes elctrons and ions useless if neutrons can always be fit AND have prop mod AND have massive tank. There is good reason for the current trade off, and projectile weapons currently don't require this trade.

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Hybrid/gallente buff

# Increase base top speed of gallente ships to be the highest of all. They should, with prop module, be able to scream in a straight line towards something and catch it. Keep agility as it is now. With good piloting they can still be avoided by minnie ships. Like in a bull fight, you don't run in a straight line away from the ******* bull, you run perpendicular to it as it can't turn as fast.

# Reduce the speed reduction incurred by using trimarks and armour plates.

# Reduce the capacitor requirement of firing hybrids. Reduce reload time to 5 seconds (to facilitate using Null on approach then when/if you snag someone a change to a close range ammo doesn't **** you over).

# For small blasters, increase base optimal range. It's slightly nuts to have an optimal of 500m roughly when you're piloting an interceptor which will refuse to orbit any closer than 1000m+ unless you practically stop the damn ship.

# Tracking boost to all blasters. Ballpark figure of 20%

# 5-10% dps boost, probably erring towards 5% due to the freak of nature known as the Vindicator.

Props to the OP, well thought out post. It's nice to see a topic so thoroughly analyzed, and I liked a lot of the suggested fixes.

Totally and completely agree with you Mag. Just pretty much laid out in detail what all us Gallentean pilots have had on their mind for ages and ages. I roll with blasters, but feel like I must train for other weapon systems to be more effective in pve and pvp. This is crap. CCP open your ears and give this guy a listen. Might learn a thing or two.

All I have to say is hybrids are working as intended. CCP clearly states that hybrids are close range wtfpwn weapons and that is how it should stay. It's also funny that despite the proposed buffs to hybrids some people won't stop whining about performance based on old stats. Let the changes come live on TQ then we can tell CCP what and what is needed to make them viable. Sheesh.

You know about the test server, right?

Allow me to inform you that, some of us have been testing, and hybrids are still awful. Despite opening up some new loadout options with the grid/cpu redux, despite the luke-warm damage/tracking buffs, despite the nauseatingly timid speed/agi tweeks, the blaster and railgun platforms of EVE are still at a comparative disadvantage. Blasters have a niche so small they're hardly worth using. Railguns have no niche at all, unless a significant change to on-grid probing and/or sniping are also implemented. Both Caldari and Gallente hybrid hulls are still second-class and the addition of another hyrbid and hybrid/torp set of t3 bc for the Cal and Gal are salt in the wound.

The current situation on SiSi is completely dominated by the Tornado.

You try them on SiSi and you tell me if they are working as intended with the new stats/buffs.

Sadly, no they most definitely are not working as intended.

BUMP! COME ON CCP! Show us some sign you are listening.