Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nikk Narrel you are ignoring my claim. That putting money into WiS takes money away from other more core things that makes eve eve.

WiS is not free, cannot be free. There is cost. Costs such as not fixing TiDi or whatever.

WIS is a cool idea but like many have pointed out it doesn't bring more to the game then focusing on other areas. Only reason i would like more WIS is if you could attack ppl who are docked, which lets be honest, CCP wouldnt allow.

Opportunity costs are not subjective. If i spend a million dollars for one year on WiS "specialists"*, that is a million dollars i can't spend on "fixing TiDi" specialists. Its completely quantifiable. Even if you assert 100% specialized programmers.

Worse in this case in that you may not be able to fire these programmers after you realized you screwed up sinking money into WiS. Perhaps next time less specialized programmers would be a better economic choice.

However there is more. Integrating WiS into the rest of the code base is also not free. You can't just have WiS bolted onto the side for free. It has to integrate with everything else in eve. And now your using all the other people to integrate code for WiS instead of working on better things. More eve like things.

* A million dollars is not even 10 programmers at 100k + overheads.

You are having reading comprehension issues. I never said that. What i said was that there is a real cost of adding a feature like WiS. Now is that cost worth it? I would say no in *this case* because its trying to do something eve will never be great at. WiS is a entire MMO in its own right where some of the "competition" are the biggest [edit] game dev companies in the world.

Adding WiS will mean all the parts of this game that make eve, eve, will get neglected for the worse. Because then it becomes a game that has neither compelling WiS or spaceships that actually spend time undocked.

Eve is not dying.

And even if it was, WiS would not save it.

Logic? You are not following any logic. there is no logic in "WiS costs resources better spent elsewhere" to "Never add or change anything".

As i have repeatably said I think WiS is a waste of resources. I have not made a statement about anything thing else. But i would add Dust to that. Your putting words in my mouth that just suits your argument. I think thats a strawman? Can never remember.

Show me how the huge amount of resources for WiS are justified?

If you think it won't take lots of resources then you should join every MMMO ever that has people walking around and show them how to do it without these massive teams of developers and artists. Because no one else knows how to do that.

To improve the situation for us, we need to take small steps to divert their attention towards us.


99% of the people involved, right here on the forums, do crap **** to improve the situation.

Too late.

Star Citizen has more WiS in Beta than Eve has as a finished product. And that was before this whole "2nd re-alignment of Eve's future vision to an even greater FIS circle jerk"... now with mobile structures to expand boring spaceboat gameplay and soon to have destructible stargates to revitalize the stale sub-cap landscape.

CCP had the only angle, the only claim to a sci-fi space boat shooter with capacity for a WiS component. Hoping and allowing CCP to expand into other platforms in the hopes of generating more revenue from sales of platforms nobody cares to buy when they want to play a PC game is not going to help either.

Alas it seems the hoards of flat minded pro-FiS "gimmeh mah Rifters online" delinquents managed to kill that pipe dream by shooting some re-spawnable statues in a market hub and unsubbing their cyno alts, because they were not happy with having to fork out $50 for vanity items they didn't care for and dont use.

People who got into Eve because of Freelancer, looking to expand on that adventure... found joy in FiS for a number of years. But we never had the WiS side that freelancer had and the expectations for getting it working were so much more than we had back then (like owning the bars that agents were in... ala hi-sec pOCO tax anybody?). By the end of this year and a few more SC modules later, those people who joined Eve because of freelancer will leave Eve because of Star Citizen.

And I'll support that product and or service with a smile......while having my own stuff.

Why don't we have flying cars everywhere, or robot butlers and maids?

Same reason, fixing and maintaining what we have takes a huge chunk of resources, leaving development with just enough to move at the current pace. Don't misunderstand, these projects are in the works, but they are nowhere near as simple as some might think.

I was actually. Lots of whoring on alts that could venture into Jita, I assure you.

Eve was vaporware until it was set in stone.

And its a shame you guys didn't stay unsubbed... Eve would have been a better place without you.

I can confirm that this is true, I rioted in all the hubs and biomassed my main in protest (25million sp at the time) the riots were about pay to win, not walking in stations.

The fact that people were annoyed over the incomplete incarna expansion which gave us only 1 cq when people wanted 4 proves that the riots were not about wis as clearly they wanted more avatar content and no pay to win with improvements to fis content. The biggest cause of anger was of course the greed is good memo which proposed plans for pay to win content in eve online.