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What did you do to MY Ferox?
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#1 - 2013-11-24 03:48:47 UTC
It used to have missile hard points. For a long time people complained that it needed more guns ( I agreed with that), but I am not sure anyone would have expected a removal of ALL missile hard points in exchange.

Why?

Because it has a nerfed drone bay. Every since I can remember it has been the sentimate of this game's designers that the predictablle damage of missiles meant that missile ships should have fewer drones.

How then could you eliminate the Feroxes missile hard points without giving it an appropriate drone bay and bandwidth?

For comparison look at the Cyclone. It gets a damage bonus to missiles (something Ferox never had) as well as a 50m3 drone bay and a 50 Mbit/sec drone bandwidth.

Meanwhile Ferox ( now a pure turret boat) has no missile hard points and 25m3 drone bay and a 25 Mbit/sec drone bandwidth.

Give the Ferox something. More drones/badwidth, missile hardpoints, or a damage bonus. I care not which.

Erm...Please

Oh what, I forgot. It has a range bonus Bear

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-24 04:00:46 UTC
missile hardpoints on a ferox are pretty useless and you should not complain about losing them. One flight of lights is also perfectly fine.

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-11-24 04:51:35 UTC
yes because what we want is more split weapon system ships. it was a good change. stop whining about what used to be
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#4 - 2013-11-24 04:55:28 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
yes because what we want is more split weapon system ships. it was a good change. stop whining about what used to be


You do realize Ferox has no damage bonus right?

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-11-24 04:59:03 UTC
so? it has a hybrid bonus. therefor it has a weapon system bonus, so why on earth should we put an unboused weapon system on it? range bonus means i can use higher damage short range rounds further our so it does increase my dps that way.

i didnt say i like the ferox, i think it is **** but.. its caldari.. so.. **** em
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#6 - 2013-11-24 05:02:35 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
, i think it is **** but.. its caldari.. so.. **** em


You would make a great developer

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-11-24 05:04:53 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
Lady Naween wrote:
, i think it is **** but.. its caldari.. so.. **** em


You would make a great developer



See that is what I think too. But sadly I am not so I cant nerf caldari into uselessness. *sadface*
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#8 - 2013-11-24 05:10:46 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
Lady Naween wrote:
, i think it is **** but.. its caldari.. so.. **** em


You would make a great developer



See that is what I think too. But sadly I am not so I cant nerf caldari into uselessness. *sadface*


Bravo for the honesty bit. lol

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#9 - 2013-11-24 05:21:57 UTC
Who even used the missile hardpoints on the Ferox? If you wanted to fit missiles on your BC you'd use a Drake. Ferox gained another gun which was a nice buff for it. As for the dronebay, 25/25 is enough, it's not the best but it at least allows you to threaten like tackle, Caldari have always had the smallest dronebays so we should be thankful it can at least field a full flight of lights.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#10 - 2013-11-24 05:30:19 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Who even used the missile hardpoints on the Ferox? If you wanted to fit missiles on your BC you'd use a Drake. Ferox gained another gun which was a nice buff for it. As for the dronebay, 25/25 is enough, it's not the best but it at least allows you to threaten like tackle, Caldari have always had the smallest dronebays so we should be thankful it can at least field a full flight of lights.


Oh my. You have not been here long have you?

Caldari have a nerfed drone bay to compensate for the reliable damge of missiles. If you remove the missiles... Nevermind. How about you just follow the narrative mmkay?

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Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#11 - 2013-11-24 06:07:46 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Who even used the missile hardpoints on the Ferox? If you wanted to fit missiles on your BC you'd use a Drake. Ferox gained another gun which was a nice buff for it. As for the dronebay, 25/25 is enough, it's not the best but it at least allows you to threaten like tackle, Caldari have always had the smallest dronebays so we should be thankful it can at least field a full flight of lights.


Oh my. You have not been here long have you?

Caldari have a nerfed drone bay to compensate for the reliable damge of missiles. If you remove the missiles... Nevermind. How about you just follow the narrative mmkay?


....Sure
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#12 - 2013-11-24 10:42:59 UTC
The Ferox needs another midslot not a stupid missile slot

stop being bad.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#13 - 2013-11-24 10:56:21 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Who even used the missile hardpoints on the Ferox? If you wanted to fit missiles on your BC you'd use a Drake. Ferox gained another gun which was a nice buff for it. As for the dronebay, 25/25 is enough, it's not the best but it at least allows you to threaten like tackle, Caldari have always had the smallest dronebays so we should be thankful it can at least field a full flight of lights.


Oh my. You have not been here long have you?

Caldari have a nerfed drone bay to compensate for the reliable damge of missiles. If you remove the missiles... Nevermind. How about you just follow the narrative mmkay?


I think you might have a case of headarseitis mate.

If you want people to actually answer your posts don't 'come back' and start ranting about stuff you haven't been involved in for however long.

The more you post the less I even believe you knew what you were doing when you played before.

Pull it out, be polite, be constructive rather than ranting and you might get a reasonable answer.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#14 - 2013-11-24 11:07:22 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
It used to have missile hard points. For a long time people complained that it needed more guns ( I agreed with that), but I am not sure anyone would have expected a removal of ALL missile hard points in exchange.

Why?

Because it has a nerfed drone bay. Every since I can remember it has been the sentimate of this game's designers that the predictablle damage of missiles meant that missile ships should have fewer drones.

How then could you eliminate the Feroxes missile hard points without giving it an appropriate drone bay and bandwidth?

For comparison look at the Cyclone. It gets a damage bonus to missiles (something Ferox never had) as well as a 50m3 drone bay and a 50 Mbit/sec drone bandwidth.

Meanwhile Ferox ( now a pure turret boat) has no missile hard points and 25m3 drone bay and a 25 Mbit/sec drone bandwidth.

Give the Ferox something. More drones/badwidth, missile hardpoints, or a damage bonus. I care not which.

Erm...Please

Oh what, I forgot. It has a range bonus Bear

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Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#15 - 2013-11-24 11:56:57 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Who even used the missile hardpoints on the Ferox?

I did. My Ferox is still fitted with a full rack of Railguns and an assault launcher which would supplement my drones in frig defence.
Such point defence systems aren't generally optimal but they worked quite well in certain circumstances.

Of course the changes to both the Ferox and to the Assault Launcher have rendered it no more than hangar decoration now - but who knows... one day it might be in the realms of the Cruise Kestrel.
hellcane
Never Back Down
#16 - 2013-11-24 13:43:19 UTC
Just woke up but sisnt this happen a while ago with the BC balances??
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-24 13:47:01 UTC
hellcane wrote:
Just woke up but sisnt this happen a while ago with the BC balances??


Yeah, about a year ago lol
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#18 - 2013-11-24 18:37:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Patri Andari
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Who even used the missile hardpoints on the Ferox? If you wanted to fit missiles on your BC you'd use a Drake. Ferox gained another gun which was a nice buff for it. As for the dronebay, 25/25 is enough, it's not the best but it at least allows you to threaten like tackle, Caldari have always had the smallest dronebays so we should be thankful it can at least field a full flight of lights.


Oh my. You have not been here long have you?

Caldari have a nerfed drone bay to compensate for the reliable damge of missiles. If you remove the missiles... Nevermind. How about you just follow the narrative mmkay?


I think you might have a case of headarseitis mate.

If you want people to actually answer your posts don't 'come back' and start ranting about stuff you haven't been involved in for however long.

The more you post the less I even believe you knew what you were doing when you played before.

Pull it out, be polite, be constructive rather than ranting and you might get a reasonable answer.



I appreciate your advice...in all my posts... but perhaps you could be a bit more constructive and less stalker-ish. If you think my posts deserve no feedback then you are welcome to give, well no feedback.

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#19 - 2013-11-24 23:33:08 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
I appreciate your advice...in all my posts... but perhaps you could be a bit more constructive and less stalker-ish. If you think my posts deserve no feedback then you are welcome to give, well no feedback.


If all of your posts are of a similar tone and flavor as this one, it's a wonder if anyone actually gives you constructive feedback. Adjust, adapt, overcome and learn how to use the ship in its current iteration.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#20 - 2013-11-24 23:37:02 UTC
Basic T1 fit for PvE (since you don't mention if you're using it for PvE or PvP):

[Ferox, PvE 1]
Internal Force Field Array I
Magnetic Vortex Stabilizer I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Flux I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Flux I

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Thermic Dissipation Field I
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
'Stalwart' Particle Field Magnifier

250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Compressed Coil Gun I, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I

Hobgoblin I x5

Cap stable at 77% without the booster running, 26km optimal with antimatter, 353 (paper) DPS.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
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