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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#1 - 2013-11-24 03:33:29 UTC
used to benefit (iirc 3% per level) from the Shield Compensation skills. I have been out of the game for about a year so I did not know this had changed. I un-docked from a station and checked my ship's stats and thought something was wrong. Then I checked my compensation skills and saw the wording now ommitts any reference to active hardeners.

So my question is was this an announced nerf? When did this change happen? Did anyone hoot and holler about it? Did CSM make waves, or did bend over?

A little history or rationale on this change would be appreciated.

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-11-24 04:04:54 UTC
IMO it should have only been nerfed for invulns, since an offline invuln was giving 15% omni resist, which was a bit over the top. and 15% on a single resist for an offline hardener isn't a big deal.

But they removed it for all active hardeners.

Some people cared a little bit.

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Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#3 - 2013-11-24 04:07:11 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
used to benefit (iirc 3% per level) from the Shield Compensation skills. I have been out of the game for about a year so I did not know this had changed. I un-docked from a station and checked my ship's stats and thought something was wrong. Then I checked my compensation skills and saw the wording now ommitts any reference to active hardeners.

So my question is was this an announced nerf? When did this change happen? Did anyone hoot and holler about it? Did CSM make waves, or did bend over?

A little history or rationale on this change would be appreciated.


Ok here you go.

It's an 'active' hardener, why the hell should it get a passive resist bonus as well?

Looking at some of your recent posts. I'd say stop whining about how your stuff has changed and start learning the new game, it is vastly different from when you left.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-11-24 04:50:26 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
used to benefit (iirc 3% per level) from the Shield Compensation skills. I have been out of the game for about a year so I did not know this had changed. I un-docked from a station and checked my ship's stats and thought something was wrong. Then I checked my compensation skills and saw the wording now ommitts any reference to active hardeners.

So my question is was this an announced nerf? When did this change happen? Did anyone hoot and holler about it? Did CSM make waves, or did bend over?

A little history or rationale on this change would be appreciated.



they did? i cant even remember that so it must have been quite a while ago. and why would we make a ruckus over something that makes total sense.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#5 - 2013-11-24 04:54:00 UTC
I agree with the removal, it has abit over the top, Invulns are already one of the best modules in the game and this nerf still hasn't changed that.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#6 - 2013-11-24 04:58:22 UTC
cap warfare!

where are the adults?

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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#7 - 2013-11-24 04:59:49 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
used to benefit (iirc 3% per level) from the Shield Compensation skills. I have been out of the game for about a year so I did not know this had changed. I un-docked from a station and checked my ship's stats and thought something was wrong. Then I checked my compensation skills and saw the wording now ommitts any reference to active hardeners.

So my question is was this an announced nerf? When did this change happen? Did anyone hoot and holler about it? Did CSM make waves, or did bend over?

A little history or rationale on this change would be appreciated.


Ok here you go.

It's an 'active' hardener, why the hell should it get a passive resist bonus as well?

Looking at some of your recent posts. I'd say stop whining about how your stuff has changed and start learning the new game, it is vastly different from when you left.


You realize that each post has its own merit right pleb?

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2013-11-24 05:02:32 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:

You realize that each post has its own merit right pleb?



careful, we got a badass here
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#9 - 2013-11-24 05:05:37 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:

You realize that each post has its own merit right pleb?



careful, we got a badass here


hardly a bad ass just a common fellow who remembers past what he did last night

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#10 - 2013-11-24 05:06:41 UTC
so? stop living in the past. it has changed, we are all happy with the change.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#11 - 2013-11-24 05:08:07 UTC
So my question is was this an announced nerf? When did this change happen? Did anyone hoot and holler about it? Did CSM make waves, or did bend over?

A little history or rationale on this change would be appreciated.

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#12 - 2013-11-24 05:08:52 UTC
can someone please clean this thread

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RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#13 - 2013-11-24 05:11:04 UTC
I bitched about it a little. because it came in with a Drake nerf and a Heavy Missile nerf, all around the same time. Kinda felt like Caldari pilots got shafted, big time.
Armor tanks have the EANM, and I always figured the Invuln was the equivalent.

But... whatever. Adapt and overcome, and all that jazz.

Other ships got nerfed too, Canes, Geddon is a Drone ship now, etc, etc.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#14 - 2013-11-24 05:11:32 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2530257#post2530257

took 2 seconds of google.

and no, we didnt ***** and complain as we all (with a few grumpy exceptions) thought it was a good change.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#15 - 2013-11-24 05:14:02 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
I bitched about it a little. because it came in with a Drake nerf and a Heavy Missile nerf, all around the same time. Kinda felt like Caldari pilots got shafted, big time.
Armor tanks have the EANM, and I always figured the Invuln was the equivalent.

But... whatever. Adapt and overcome, and all that jazz.

Other ships got nerfed too, Canes, Geddon is a Drone ship now, etc, etc.


Thanks for the feedback. Was there any response?

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#16 - 2013-11-24 05:17:10 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2530257#post2530257

took 2 seconds of google.

and no, we didnt ***** and complain as we all (with a few grumpy exceptions) thought it was a good change.


Thank you Linda. Am sad about making you do my work for me. Please excuse.

Patri

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#17 - 2013-11-24 05:23:20 UTC
I still remember training those compensation skills. Along with the learning skills. What thay have in commonb is that they took a VERY long time and the payoff made them woth it to me. Is why I asked these questions.

Be careful what you think, for your thoughts become your words. Be careful what you say, for your words become your actions. Be careful what you do, for your actions become your character. And character is everything. - author unknown
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#18 - 2013-11-24 05:47:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Patri Andari
Double post

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Zor'katar
Matari Recreation
#19 - 2013-11-24 07:02:22 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
I still remember training those compensation skills. Along with the learning skills. What thay have in commonb is that they took a VERY long time and the payoff made them woth it to me. Is why I asked these questions.

Hoping the next sentence in that line of thought isn't "I got SP back for the learning skills, where's my SP for the shield comp skills?"

As I recall there wasn't an in-depth explanation of the change, just basically a "we think this makes more sense". Which is true, but yes, it sucks that they made 4 skills more or less worthless but for certain niche fits. (And the damn things are in all the shield certificates too.) If you want more details, one thread was already linked, and I'm sure there was more debate in a more official thread in F&I somewhere.
Taoist Dragon
x Never Regret x
#20 - 2013-11-24 10:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Taoist Dragon
Patri Andari wrote:
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Patri Andari wrote:
used to benefit (iirc 3% per level) from the Shield Compensation skills. I have been out of the game for about a year so I did not know this had changed. I un-docked from a station and checked my ship's stats and thought something was wrong. Then I checked my compensation skills and saw the wording now ommitts any reference to active hardeners.

So my question is was this an announced nerf? When did this change happen? Did anyone hoot and holler about it? Did CSM make waves, or did bend over?

A little history or rationale on this change would be appreciated.


Ok here you go.

It's an 'active' hardener, why the hell should it get a passive resist bonus as well?

Looking at some of your recent posts. I'd say stop whining about how your stuff has changed and start learning the new game, it is vastly different from when you left.


You realize that each post has its own merit right pleb?



I strongly suspect you have no idea what pleb actually means.

And no none of your post have any merit from someone who obviously thinks highly of themselves yet can't be bothered to catch up on the changes of the last year or so.

If you want to pull your head out of your arse and actually look you can find the changes pretty easily and yes there were a few people who opposed the changes (mainly pathetic lazy people who can't adapt IMO) but their arguments are also there if you are willing to put some effort into it.

Try harder. Roll

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
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