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Sermon: Prematurely Freed Slaves in Hell

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Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#61 - 2013-11-26 20:53:46 UTC
Yes, that's it. Memory oblivion, to use your term. Neural remapping went bad on me, apparently.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#62 - 2013-11-26 23:01:22 UTC
Naomi Tichim wrote:
But a child of a slave who was raised by an Amarrian family would be Amarrian in every way that matters. Not race, true, but she would be Amarrian in her language, her culture, her view, and her beliefs.

No.

Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Notice that Nappy always has to bring the subject back to the Gallente, whether or not it's actually remotely relevant to the conversation. Methinks the poor man has an unhealthy obsession.

Anslo wrote:
SEE?? What he just did? Good way! See nappy's vitoc and collar rabble? Bad way.

Woe to him who goes into the Judgement having bestowed an insulting nickname like "Nappy" on a righteous Amarrian. Especially if he be a Gallente. For he shall be sentenced to the Pit, and for all eternity the demons shall...um...uh...OK, I don't know the punishment for this one. But I'm sure there is one. And it is probably bad. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#63 - 2013-11-26 23:53:06 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Naomi Tichim wrote:
But a child of a slave who was raised by an Amarrian family would be Amarrian in every way that matters. Not race, true, but she would be Amarrian in her language, her culture, her view, and her beliefs.

No.


We're sorry, but the correct answer is "Yes."


Nauplius wrote:
Woe to him who goes into the Judgement having bestowed an insulting nickname like "Nappy" on a righteous Amarrian. Especially if he be a Gallente. For he shall be sentenced to the Pit, and for all eternity the demons shall...um...uh...OK, I don't know the punishment for this one. But I'm sure there is one. And it is probably bad. Amen. Amarr Victor.


Pit? Demons? Again with these weird references ... which religion are you preaching here, anyway?

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#64 - 2013-11-27 00:01:06 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Naomi Tichim wrote:
But a child of a slave who was raised by an Amarrian family would be Amarrian in every way that matters. Not race, true, but she would be Amarrian in her language, her culture, her view, and her beliefs.

No.



Why? Culture isn't genetic, you know. It's taught. We have to learn culture.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-11-27 00:46:01 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Woe to him who goes into the Judgement having bestowed an insulting nickname like "Nappy" on a righteous Amarrian. Especially if he be a Gallente. For he shall be sentenced to the Pit, and for all eternity the demons shall...um...uh...OK, I don't know the punishment for this one. But I'm sure there is one. And it is probably bad. Amen. Amarr Victor.

Yeah, you've kind of just outed yourself as a satirist here, bro. It's good satire, though! You really had me believing you were serious for a while.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-11-27 13:33:34 UTC
This took 4 pages to discover?

Come on, Ixiris *wink*

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Anslo
Scope Works
#67 - 2013-11-27 16:43:23 UTC
Well if you're God's tool to put me in the Pit, you're doing a crappy job of it. You've ran from me like what, 4 times now? Get your **** together Nappy.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Cuci Cairi
#68 - 2013-11-27 17:04:27 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Well if you're God's tool to put me in the Pit, you're doing a crappy job of it. You've ran from me like what, 4 times now? Get your **** together Nappy.


You seem a bit obsessed with referencing near-combat situations in much of your discussion. Are you compensating for something?
Anslo
Scope Works
#69 - 2013-11-27 17:12:59 UTC
Yes. I'm compensating for this horrible blemish on my cheek. It makes me very self concious. OH WOE IS ME!!

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Cuci Cairi
#70 - 2013-11-27 17:16:27 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Yes. I'm compensating for this horrible blemish on my cheek. It makes me very self concious. OH WOE IS ME!!


As long as you recognize the awkwardness of your presentation, I suppose all is well. Smile
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2013-11-27 17:17:33 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Well if you're God's tool to put me in the Pit, you're doing a crappy job of it. You've ran from me like what, 4 times now? Get your **** together Nappy.


You seem a bit obsessed with referencing near-combat situations in much of your discussion. Are you compensating for something?


To be fair to Anslo, if you're an Amarrian telling people they need to perish in flames and suffer in Hell, you should expect someone to eventually come and try to claim their ticket.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Cuci Cairi
#72 - 2013-11-27 17:20:25 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Well if you're God's tool to put me in the Pit, you're doing a crappy job of it. You've ran from me like what, 4 times now? Get your **** together Nappy.


You seem a bit obsessed with referencing near-combat situations in much of your discussion. Are you compensating for something?


To be fair to Anslo, if you're an Amarrian telling people they need to perish in flames and suffer in Hell, you should expect someone to eventually come and try to claim their ticket.


It isn't the actual action that I was wondering about, it is the necessity to reference it through apparent insecurity.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-11-27 17:22:59 UTC
I don't see any insecurity about it. If, indeed, what Nappy is saying is said sincerely, with conviction - and if, indeed, he's fully convinced that he himself is worthy of heaven - he shouldn't be so afraid of facing the people he condemns in combat.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#74 - 2013-11-27 17:26:18 UTC
OK...you're new so I'll explain it instead of treating you like a joke of a graduate with a ******* penchant for mouthing off. A capsuleers reputation is their worth. It isn't insecure chest beating that is happening. It is bolstering. It is backing up your talk. Naplius preaches doom and death but flees instead of fighting for his god. I say i don't like someone, go out, and proceed to try and kill them. Sometimes I win. Sometimes I lose. But I act. I don't run or mouth off and not back it up.
Got it?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Cuci Cairi
#75 - 2013-11-27 17:27:43 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I don't see any insecurity about it. If, indeed, what Nappy is saying is said sincerely, with conviction - and if, indeed, he's fully convinced that he himself is worthy of heaven - he shouldn't be so afraid of facing the people he condemns in combat.


So tactical considerations become irrelevant if you preach against someone? I could not care less about this actual debate or conflict, but it seems odd that people are advocating a perspective that interprets all retreat as lack of conviction.
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#76 - 2013-11-27 17:36:38 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
I don't see any insecurity about it. If, indeed, what Nappy is saying is said sincerely, with conviction - and if, indeed, he's fully convinced that he himself is worthy of heaven - he shouldn't be so afraid of facing the people he condemns in combat.


So tactical considerations become irrelevant if you preach against someone? I could not care less about this actual debate or conflict, but it seems odd that people are advocating a perspective that interprets all retreat as lack of conviction.


It isn't really. Anslo doesn't come hunting me and preaching is my job, I've also preached against violence and various aspects of Gallente society he probably holds in respect. Then again, I don't tell Anslo I think he's a useless waste of a person and should die. He would be quite reasonable in seeing that as a challenging threat.

There's a difference between discourse and joining into the warfare. I think it might be the arrogance that really gets people involved. If you're going to say a people are absolutely inferior, you can't expect those people to come and engage you in a town planning competition.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Cuci Cairi
#77 - 2013-11-27 17:41:44 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


It isn't really. Anslo doesn't come hunting me and preaching is my job, I've also preached against violence and various aspects of Gallente society he probably holds in respect. Then again, I don't tell Anslo I think he's a useless waste of a person and should die. He would be quite reasonable in seeing that as a challenging threat.

There's a difference between discourse and joining into the warfare. I think it might be the arrogance that really gets people involved. If you're going to say a people are absolutely inferior, you can't expect those people to come and engage you in a town planning competition.


There is a difference between discourse and warfare, and that is precisely the blurring of that distinction that seem to be missed by some. Believing someone as inferior does not necessitate engaging them in combat at every opportunity, does it?
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#78 - 2013-11-27 18:25:18 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Yeah, you've kind of just outed yourself as a satirist here, bro. It's good satire, though! You really had me believing you were serious for a while.

No.

Many find depicting the sufferings of the damned in Hell to be vulgar. Many find the doctrine of Hell itself to be vulgar. And the Amarrian nobility among us have every right to remain aloof from any preaching on Hell, lest their delicate minds be soiled by such a rough doctrine.

But I am not nobility. And during my last two and a half years out-of-capsule on Danera, I became convicted of certain truths in the more raw form of religion practiced among the lower classes, including Hell. Now, I do not claim that Hell is an essential doctrine of the Amarrian religion; indeed, I am not qualified to make that determination. But evidence that many Amarrians believe in Hell is all around us in New Eden — the testimony of Doctor Fajah Ateshi as reported by Empyreans who rescued her; the names given to Amarr ship classes, Damnation and Abaddon; the commands that Paladins might use to motivate mining slaves; the ubiquitous use of the word in a casual sense that nonetheless retains something of its original definition, as in the immortal saying of Admiral Mekioth Sarum,

"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."

Just what happens in Hell (for those who believe it) is a far more speculative matter. I suspect that the nobility considers the matter too vulgar, although it is a common enough subject of arts and entertainment among the lower classes. The particular torments that I have imagined in this and other threads loosely based on the restitution in kind principle of Amarrian religious law, as most notably expressed in the punishment of Artico Kor-Azor and the public debate thereof; the punishments will somehow fit the crime. The details of the torments are a bit fanciful, but they are not meant to be strictly literal; rather, they are to inspire fear and terror in the audience so that they change their sinning ways. (The message of the original post in this thread is: really bad things will happen to prematurely freed slaves. So don't prematurely free them).


Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2013-11-27 18:37:48 UTC
Cuci Cairi wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:


It isn't really. Anslo doesn't come hunting me and preaching is my job, I've also preached against violence and various aspects of Gallente society he probably holds in respect. Then again, I don't tell Anslo I think he's a useless waste of a person and should die. He would be quite reasonable in seeing that as a challenging threat.

There's a difference between discourse and joining into the warfare. I think it might be the arrogance that really gets people involved. If you're going to say a people are absolutely inferior, you can't expect those people to come and engage you in a town planning competition.


There is a difference between discourse and warfare, and that is precisely the blurring of that distinction that seem to be missed by some. Believing someone as inferior does not necessitate engaging them in combat at every opportunity, does it?


No, but being believed to be inferior might.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Cuci Cairi
#80 - 2013-11-27 18:50:30 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:


No, but being believed to be inferior might.


Agreed. This was precisely my point to begin with.