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Sermon: Prematurely Freed Slaves in Hell

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#41 - 2013-11-24 18:35:50 UTC
An interesting example of those who feel everything can me measured, codified, and assimilated, and those who feel knowing a path and walking a path are different things.


Then again the OP does have the stench of the deliberately stupid about him.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#42 - 2013-11-24 23:19:09 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Oh ! That is how you call it ? That is pretty much similar. it can also lead to interesting things like "memory oblivions".


Do you mean an internally biased network cycle, or do you mean a disconnected map partition?


Mostly the latter, where synaptic disorders can occur following certain patterns when non compliance to security protocols is observed, either though provoked discontinuity, or through raw erasing. Memory oblivion is the latter, and occasional wetware induced schizophrenia can sometimes be the former.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#43 - 2013-11-25 04:55:24 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
Oh ! That is how you call it ? That is pretty much similar. it can also lead to interesting things like "memory oblivions".


Do you mean an internally biased network cycle, or do you mean a disconnected map partition?


Mostly the latter, where synaptic disorders can occur following certain patterns when non compliance to security protocols is observed, either though provoked discontinuity, or through raw erasing. Memory oblivion is the latter, and occasional wetware induced schizophrenia can sometimes be the former.

Oh, yes, both of those are pretty horrible to watch in action. Seeing a bound cycle in action really tightens my chest! It's dramatic to watch. The schizophrenia is really quite terrible especially - i've got some personal experience with that, though not a lot. Quite frightening in some respects.
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#44 - 2013-11-25 14:27:15 UTC
And what of those slavers who keep slaves long after they should have been freed?

You're the reason everyone thinks we're a bunch of crazy psychos.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-11-25 23:01:38 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

Even the Scriptures can only be taken metaphorically since they are written by men, and so hold men values and observations on an entity that goes beyond them.


In other words, there is nothing holy or spiritual about them. By this logic, the scriptures are nothing more than a story and anyone who believes them to be fact is no better than your overzealous science fiction or fantasy geek.

Nauplius wrote:


God could destroy the Demons with a mere wave of His divine arm, or a mere thought of the same. The Demons exist because God wills they exist. When the righteous man triumphs over the Demons, it gives glory to God. When the Wicked man is tormented by the Demons in the Pit, it gives glory to God. When someday God has had enough of the Demons and destroys them, their destruction will give glory to God.


If their destruction will give Glory to God and apparently God can do this with a mere thought, then why doesn't he do it?

Clearly, your God is either incredibly weak or incredibly lazy. Either one may explain why the Minmatar managed to break free.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#46 - 2013-11-26 01:02:56 UTC
Naomi Tichim wrote:
And what of those slavers who keep slaves long after they should have been freed?


Of course, all slaveholders in the Amarr Empire must obey the Empress in such matters.
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#47 - 2013-11-26 12:50:31 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Naomi Tichim wrote:
And what of those slavers who keep slaves long after they should have been freed?


Of course, all slaveholders in the Amarr Empire must obey the Empress in such matters.


OK, you're not on the lunatic fringe. Next question:

Why do we enslave the children of slaves? Surely it is within the capacity of our mighty empire to raise them as free and pious subjects.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#48 - 2013-11-26 14:24:55 UTC
Naomi Tichim wrote:
OK, you're not on the lunatic fringe. Next question:

Many misguided individuals do consider me a lunatic because I think respect for God's justice and holiness and glory demands exquisite punishment for the Gallente and other sinners, and I celebrate such punishments (because God is glorified in them) and enjoy writing about them.

Naomi Tichim wrote:
Why do we enslave the children of slaves? Surely it is within the capacity of our mighty empire to raise them as free and pious subjects.

Because unlike the Gallente scum, we see reward and punishment not (only) as something meted out to individuals, but to families and races and nations and other collectives. For example, the Amarr became the Chosen long ago, and retain such status to this day, and the boundaries between the Chosen and the Non-Chosen move slowly over time. Nine generations of slavery is a flash of time on such a scale.
Cuci Cairi
#49 - 2013-11-26 14:59:57 UTC
Nauplius wrote:

Many misguided individuals do consider me a lunatic because I think respect for God's justice and holiness and glory demands exquisite punishment for the Gallente and other sinners, and I celebrate such punishments (because God is glorified in them) and enjoy writing about them.


Why does the theoretical punishment of others glorify your god?
Naomi Tichim
Sovereign Hospitaller Order of Saint Katherine
#50 - 2013-11-26 15:10:24 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Naomi Tichim wrote:
OK, you're not on the lunatic fringe. Next question:

Many misguided individuals do consider me a lunatic because I think respect for God's justice and holiness and glory demands exquisite punishment for the Gallente and other sinners, and I celebrate such punishments (because God is glorified in them) and enjoy writing about them.

Naomi Tichim wrote:
Why do we enslave the children of slaves? Surely it is within the capacity of our mighty empire to raise them as free and pious subjects.

Because unlike the Gallente scum, we see reward and punishment not (only) as something meted out to individuals, but to families and races and nations and other collectives. For example, the Amarr became the Chosen long ago, and retain such status to this day, and the boundaries between the Chosen and the Non-Chosen move slowly over time. Nine generations of slavery is a flash of time on such a scale.

But a child of a slave who was raised by an Amarrian family would be Amarrian in every way that matters. Not race, true, but she would be Amarrian in her language, her culture, her view, and her beliefs.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-11-26 15:54:56 UTC
Notice that Nappy always has to bring the subject back to the Gallente, whether or not it's actually remotely relevant to the conversation. Methinks the poor man has an unhealthy obsession.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2013-11-26 15:57:04 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Naomi Tichim wrote:
OK, you're not on the lunatic fringe... Why do we enslave the children of slaves? Surely it is within the capacity of our mighty empire to raise them as free and pious subjects.

Because unlike the Gallente scum, we see reward and punishment not (only) as something meted out to individuals, but to families and races and nations and other collectives. For example, the Amarr became the Chosen long ago, and retain such status to this day, and the boundaries between the Chosen and the Non-Chosen move slowly over time. Nine generations of slavery is a flash of time on such a scale.


Not on the lunatic fringe, but definitely on the lunatic mainstream...

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Anslo
Scope Works
#53 - 2013-11-26 16:16:51 UTC
AND THIS IS WHY THE GALLENTE MUST BE DEST-wait a second, wrong jackass.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-11-26 17:42:25 UTC
Anslo wrote:
AND THIS IS WHY THE GALLENTE MUST BE DEST-wait a second, wrong jackass.

They all blend together after a while, don't they? No longer distinct, they've become a single wordless wail of impotence, their lives made infinitely miserable by the fact that the Federation existed, still exists and will continue to exist for a very, very long time.

...

Oh, this is the part where I'm meant to insincerely imply that I feel some sympathy for their plight, isn't it?

Hmm. Hmm. How do I... oh, yes, this should do.

Ahem. And that's terrible.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2013-11-26 17:42:59 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Notice that Nappy always has to bring the subject back to the Gallente, whether or not it's actually remotely relevant to the conversation. Methinks the poor man has an unhealthy obsession.


It does make one wonder if he thought that he and the Gallente Federation had something special, but the Gallente Federation didn't call him back. So he went to where Gallente Federation works, but Gallente Federation's friends told him that the Gallente Federation wasn't working that day even though he knew that it was.

But that's okay. He never liked the Gallente Federation anyway.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2013-11-26 17:49:33 UTC
We didn't want that tortured relationship metaphor anyway.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Anslo
Scope Works
#57 - 2013-11-26 19:04:23 UTC
See, Baracca does the Amarr thing right. He doesn't take it too seriously. He's amicable, funny, understanding, and most importantly flexible. This works. Zealotry does not.

To put it in perspective, if i saw Baracca in space, lowsec, and i could easily kill him, i wouldn't hesitate to let him pass through, unharmed, and offer to share a beer and a talk with him.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2013-11-26 19:23:35 UTC
Anslo wrote:
See, Baracca does the Amarr thing right. He doesn't take it too seriously. He's amicable, funny, understanding, and most importantly flexible. This works. Zealotry does not.

To put it in perspective, if i saw Baracca in space, lowsec, and i could easily kill him, i wouldn't hesitate to let him pass through, unharmed, and offer to share a beer and a talk with him.


If you ever see me in hisec as well, I'm good for that beer. Or cognac, actually. The best way to bring the Word is to be a part of the cultural exchange. I've always thought the Scriptures stand the test of time and the faith stands solidly on its own as a good idea. There's really no reason to go and chain people up arbitrarily. If experience teaches anything, it's that such actions probably aren't the most effective means of conversion.

Besides that, if you get too tangled up in your own imperial image, you miss out on all the great things that come from other empires. The best part of my job is that so much of it is getting back exactly what I'm trying to put in. People will listen very intently to you preach the Word in Gallente space when they know you're also learning from them. So many times, I go to a university, conduct my sermon, and end up in an art gallery afterwards.

My favorite was the seminar I conducted last year that concluded with being invited to learn how to skeleton race down an ice-chute. That turned into a week-long party and eventually led to, last month, the ordination of one of the people I'd preached to in the priesthood.

Fantastic times!

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Anslo
Scope Works
#59 - 2013-11-26 19:27:47 UTC
SEE?? What he just did? Good way! See nappy's vitoc and collar rabble? Bad way.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#60 - 2013-11-26 19:53:06 UTC
Scherezad wrote:

Oh, yes, both of those are pretty horrible to watch in action. Seeing a bound cycle in action really tightens my chest! It's dramatic to watch. The schizophrenia is really quite terrible especially - i've got some personal experience with that, though not a lot. Quite frightening in some respects.


You mean that you had a part of your memory rewritten that caused memory oblivion or schizophrenia ?

Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:

Even the Scriptures can only be taken metaphorically since they are written by men, and so hold men values and observations on an entity that goes beyond them.


In other words, there is nothing holy or spiritual about them. By this logic, the scriptures are nothing more than a story and anyone who believes them to be fact is no better than your overzealous science fiction or fantasy geek.


It mostly depends what people call "holy". Saint patrons of Amarr religion were men too. They are not holy because they come from the divine, they are holy for what they embody or represent, much like the scriptures.

Also, well, if you can find me a story including all the scientific, academic, religious (etc) texts of a culture, thus all its knowledge combined, with millions of contributing authors, I would be rather interested.