Science & Industry

Hauling: I was ready to buy a Kyros, but some players (including Jester who listed it on his worst of 2013 ships) say it is a huge gank target.

So what's a good ship/fit to haul minerals by yourself in high sec?


Selling: What's the best strategy to sell the minerals? Wait until I have a certain size quantity? Use sell orders or buy orders? If sell orders how do I figure out the best price likely to move? Haul to a hub or the best buy order nearby?

Ganks are a republican endeavour, there is really no such thing as a specific ship to be gank target, it is not hull specific but class specific. You will expect to be ganked in something that have lesser defenses, usually valuable cargo, and at the same time something that can be killed fast enough to not risk the concord to kill the gankers before they open the shell, so you endup with the best target being t1 industrials with larger cargo holds.

The quickest answer to industrial prayers are transport ships. Transport ships are harder to gank, so more gankers are need to do it in a fashinable time. If your aim is transport you wont be needing to target ships, you can use stabs and you still can warp in most cases because people seem to forget that transport ships are warp strenght 2 by nature, and you can make them relativelly more sturdy to discourage a ganking unless people are sure you have gargo or importance enough for what it takes to gank one. And all the requirements to run a transport ship are also usable for other ends by industrials.

Freighter is the next step, and Jump being the next, but sometimes you really wont be wise to use them. So even if you can pilot a jump freighter, which means also a freighter, sometimes you will still endup better with a transport ship.

The blockade runner for when cargo space is not the issue, as you can use covert cloaks and it is a marvelous almost instawarp ship with warp strenght nativelly 2. It can be used even to some covert ops that arent industry related at all, as they can manage to hold things you need to plant a surveilance or fit a ship, POS, but they are cloak warp capable.

The market thing, it is really localized. The best thing you can do is be close to playable factions frontiers, or have alts/ppl to be in each major trade hub to see prices and oportunities. Sometimes the payout will be compensating a transempire trade, sometimes it can be profitable, but not as much taking time into consideration.

You will have to have a good spreadsheet about prices to find out how the market is in the thing about ore and mineral, because it is not always that true profit can be draw from ONE only situation. Several times when math is taken into consideration you find out that those oh so lucrative appearances are just that, appearances.

The new ships might be targets, but they're still the best option.

Since they use commodity bays, they have no use for cargo expanders. I fit 2 nanos and 2 i-stabs, and my align time is around 5 seconds. Plenty for hi sec.

You can expect to be ganked if you have a certain dollar value in your hold, that's it. There is no way to tell what it is really because every ganker will have a different profit to loss threshold for deciding to make a gank. There is no one target for a ganker. If you have a juicy hold, and it is a low hanging fruit, he will open fire.

As many things in EVE, you have two choices: Do it yourself the best you can or get someone else to do it.

Everytime someone tell you to get someone else to do it, it is crappy advice. If you cant figure out for yourself what you can and cannot do, better start learning there and then start learning how to do something.

In our corporation we recently sold a Charon that had years of use without so much as repair in its booklet. We had orcas destroyed in situations, but the main orca with nice gang modules and stuff, we also had it for years without so much as repair.

You just need to learn the inevitable law of things:
- The gank institution as I mentioned in the other post. You cannot be sure you are safe because the skill you have, fit you use or ship you pilot. It is the atittude that makes the difference.

- Convenience comes with a cost. The more convenient the position you are is, the less prepared to face adversity you are.

- Sometimes it is better to make lots of trips with a faster and more agile ship than follow the advice of gankers or wannabes and use freighter. The freighter will be useful to a certain extent, but you have to be always prepared to change if the need arises.

- Industrials are not heroes, they are industrials. You run from fights, you get far from fighting situations, even if that means more jumps or unscheduled stops.

- Better yet to have haulers that can insta leave corp on wardecs.

But if you want to put auto pilot and go afk, if you want the easy solution, if you want the "game playing itself for you" then you will be gangganked eventually in the most perverse way, because you deserve it.

I'd ignore the warp core stabs in high. If you're going to get ganked, they're probably not going to tackle you first.

Thus, nanos or iStabs.

The choice between those comes mostly from 'do I want the larger sig radius'