EVE General Discussion

Heard this same argument before, the new game is always "different" than the previous contenders.



My sympathies.

Tell that to Family Video that actually is thriving with Redbox, netflix and all those other things out there.. I also understand and love technology.. I just don't buy into the ridiculous crap.. Like 3D TV that hype needs to die off soon.. (its not even 3D!)

I understand the situation. The situation is that you're comparing I/O to software. Just because the I/O changes doesn't mean the software dies — that's the beauty of software: it can adjust to the new I/O… and in many different ways to boot.

…and that is what disproves your entire notion: because you're once again confusing the software and the I/O. The games are the same they've always been, only now they use different output functions to benefit from the hardware innovations that have come along.

It turns out that not every game type works in free-camera or first-person 3D. The disruption here is often the exact opposite of what you're suggesting: everyone jumping on the new bandwagon and failing miserably because it turns out that, hey, it is really unsuited for the game play you're after (see the famous polygon ceiling). Instead, the disruption lay in daring to keep doing what they were doing, only with a different rendering pipeline.

“It's not that kind of game”, same as with the vast majority of other game types that are not suited for a VR experience. VR Civ would be horrible. VR cinematic storytelling means you're failing to deliver the cinematic narrative.

Your fundamental fallacy here is your assumption that all applications suit a specific platform. They don't. There's a reason why different platforms offer different game ecologies. OR is another platform that will have its own ecology — it will be great for some applications; meaningless for some; and absolutely the wrong choice for some.

PvP in this game is a bunch of purple boxes pewpewing at orange or red boxes. I don't expect the Oculus Rift to change that at all.

A few points.

EVE has always had difficulty with 3D, even the glasses that Nvidia puts out advise against using the tech with EVE as it really isn't laid out in a way that works will with 3D. It has to do with how the different elements are layered, causing issues with things like text standing out, ships standing out against the background properly, etc.

That being said, with so many innovations coming our way with EVE graphics, including Tessellation, it is certainly conceivable that an effort will be made to make EVE graphics 3D friendly at the same time.

3D graphics currently are associated with games that rely on intense action (like Valkyrie), which is not really EVE's strong point.

The counter point is I believe that there are opportunities for a system like Rift to really show off the pure beauty of the EVE setting. From the planets and nebulae all the way down to the weapons effects in massive fleet battles. Indeed, Tippia may have nailed the biggest payoff possible in this regard, that being to use these headsets with a battle recorder system (which has long been sorely needed by EVE). The ability to go INSIDE a fleet battle, to examine it from any point of view you wish, as many times as you wanted to... it would be phenomenal. Especially if it had some specifically cinematic play back options (choosing a primary focus, secondary focus, fly by, fixed point in space, follow along, first person, missile view, drone view, random mix).

Of course we need a battle recorder anyway, but one designed to work with a Rift headset would be outstanding.

Point being, EVE doesn't need the Rift headset to continue being successful... but it could take advantage of it's availability if it chooses to.

Personally I think we are going to have to see what level of interaction there is between Valkyrie and EVE (if any) before we can speculate too accurately on what CCP's stance is going to be on this whole issue.

CCP said in one of their interviews about Valkyrie that they took steps to reduce the motion sickness issues. They ran into it :)

Rift won't kill EVE. Lack of an EVE client wrapper that will let me choose which account I'm currently working on by turning my head will. :)

A full VR client would be nice too of course.... maybe thats what they are implying in the latest trailers.

The thing is, this type of I/O paradigm shift could very easily make all others seem terrible by comparison.

A better comparison would be between board games and video games. Board games used to be a lot more prominent prior to the introduction of video games, and now they're very niche. They still have their place, but nobody would ever pay a monthly subscription fee to have access to a board game when video games are much more entertaining.

VR could easily go the same way, and the smart games (yes, even Civ) would do well to adjust their GUI to account for it. Starcraft II matches in a VR environment would be pretty damn awesome. Similarly, if someone made another space sim in an MMO environment that was fully optimized for VR, I'd drop EVE in a heartbeat, and lord knows I'm not the only one. That's not only a loss of current subscribers but also reduced amount of new subscribers incoming.

You few will still be playing Monopoly while we're playing Command & Conquer. Now, this all depends on how reliable the VR equipment works out, how expensive it is, and how quickly software developers jump on board, but with those caveats in mind . . . this is the type of technology people have wanted for DECADES, and shrugging it off as though it's no different then the introduction of the Wii remote or XBox Kinect is going to prove very shortsighted.

I'm going to spend a lot of time with this but that doesn't mean i can ever neglect my skill queue for a measly fiscal saving.

So what's the skinny on this?

These things programmable?

WOW all the book stores went out of business!!! I best run out and tell the half dozen or so in my town so they can follow suit

LOL...seriously that's the dumbest thing I've seen claimed in LONG time