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Addressing Amarrian Loyalists

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Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-04 15:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Galente
Use the Scriptures as a guide, not doctrine: if you can't use your own discretion and think for yourself, how can you be subjective enough to be able to come to a reasonable solution to the problems inherent in the Minmatar-Amarr conflict? More importantly, if you can't allow yourself to use reasonable discretion and compromise on the goals of your Empire for the sake of what you truly believe is right, you will be toyed into doing the biddings of a government that will turn its back on its own people and commit genocide for power and wealth, in the name of the holy and divine. What hogwash. The only thing that is holy and divine is your individual, natural conscience: don't let it be corrupted by the lies of greedy social establishments. That an atrocity can be committed for the greater good is a lie.

Aside from the intellectually mendicant nature of adherence to Scripture, it's also pretty damn inconsistent. Is the acorn somehow better than the tree that it sprouts? Of course not. Let your conscience (and not the agendas, civil doctrine or synthetic ideals that all of the empires plant into the minds of their citizens: this corrupts your true conscience) be your only guide.

Don't do what your government tells you that God tells them is right, do what you think is right.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Vultirnus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-11-04 15:58:03 UTC
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"

- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

I pray God forgives your soul's wanderlust.

http://voicevvvoid.wordpress.com/

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2011-11-04 16:07:53 UTC
Oh dear. This won't end well.

Katrina Oniseki

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#4 - 2011-11-04 16:14:47 UTC
Mr. Galente,

What you fail to understand is that in the minds of most Amarr, the Empire and the Scripture are what's right. It is what the Amarr are, not some compromise that we make.

I also question the use of 'Hive mind', as I think the discussions that go on show that within that framework we have wildly divergent opinions on, well, everything.
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#5 - 2011-11-04 16:20:31 UTC
It is Written.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-04 16:23:40 UTC
As a bit of a footnote, this isn't an accusation for those of you who happen to disagree: it's simply an assertion of my own experiences (my views of the Empire in this light are not unique, I share them regarding most established authority) and a reflection of some of the debate I've seen on the Summit lately. It's entirely possible that your conception of right and wrong are similar to those of the Empire at large, as Mr. Thessalonia suggested. I'm not an atheist, by any means: I believe God does exist, but that he exists in each of us as our idea of what is right and wrong, not just what is expedient or profitable. My use of the term 'discretion' was indicative of the cautionary nature of the thread, that one needs to listen to his conscience first, then his government. A man's conscience is his God, is his religion.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Lucius Vindictus
Arachnos
#7 - 2011-11-04 16:24:47 UTC
How good for you that you think you know what is best for us. Funnily Amarrians are often criticized by your kind for having that same attitude towards others.
Cynthia Gallente
GERAS INDUSTRIES
#8 - 2011-11-04 16:27:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthia Gallente
There is no god.
If there was a god, it is lost now.
The sinful lives of all those who inhabit the universe have seen to that.

Post with your lick™

Vultirnus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-11-04 16:55:42 UTC
Quote:
My use of the term 'discretion' was indicative of the cautionary nature of the thread, that one needs to listen to his conscience first, then his government. A man's conscience is his God, is his religion.


You are close to the truth, but it appears to still slip through your grasp. God's divine hand directs our conscience. As an Empire devoted to his will, our government, religion, and conscience are one.

http://voicevvvoid.wordpress.com/

Kazzzi
Heathen Legion
Iron Men of the Hood
#10 - 2011-11-04 19:34:58 UTC
Heresy.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#11 - 2011-11-04 20:04:48 UTC
Those that follow scripture blindly are sheep.

Those who study scripture and let it guide them are a whole other matter.

Blind faith is to be avoided. Belief can be admirable.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Elson Tamar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-05 09:02:45 UTC
It's just a book.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#13 - 2011-11-05 10:55:34 UTC
Elson Tamar wrote:
It's just a book.


Incorrect. To you it is just a book. To the Amarr, it is something much more essential.

Do you say it's "just water"? Do you say it's "just oxygen"?

Speak to an Amarrian who has lost his or her faith some time. You will understand that the process of losing it was more painful than anything they have ever gone through.
Cynthia Gallente
GERAS INDUSTRIES
#14 - 2011-11-05 15:46:28 UTC
I am interested now. . .
I would like to read more about the scriptures. . .

Post with your lick™

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#15 - 2011-11-05 16:14:02 UTC
Cynthia Gallente wrote:
I am interested now. . .
I would like to read more about the scriptures. . .



Always worth finding out about the belief systems of others, regardless of your opinion of their truth. Especially wide spread ones. At the very least, it will inform you about those peoples motivations. It may even give you pointers about how to adjust your own.

Belief is the anchor-stone for life, be it a belief in religion, a nation, your fellow man, or science. Without it, you'll be adrift in the currents of life.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-05 17:25:53 UTC
Lucius Vindictus wrote:
How good for you that you think you know what is best for us. Funnily Amarrians are often criticized by your kind for having that same attitude towards others.


You misunderstood me: perhaps you were too busy trying to judge me through a blurry lens of ethnocentrism and stereotype. I believe that only you know what is best for you, and that what is best for you will always be what is the right thing to do, no more, no less. That being said, I do NOT mean what is best for your bank account.

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Victoria Stecker
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-11-05 17:37:30 UTC
Every once in a while I check to see if Jason has suddenly developed the ability to contribute something valuable to a discussion.

I'll check again in a few months.
Jason Galente
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-05 18:03:32 UTC
Victoria Stecker wrote:
Every once in a while I check to see if Jason has suddenly developed the ability to contribute something valuable to a discussion.

I'll check again in a few months.


Petty insults aside, what exactly have you recently contributed to have grounds to judge me?

Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended.

At any cost

Ruah Piskonit
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2011-11-05 20:04:09 UTC
Who are you, and why are you interested in scripture since you obviously think its some sort of self-help book the Gallente use. I am here to tell you its nothing of the sort - it is truth, in a book.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2011-11-06 12:56:56 UTC
Ruah Piskonit wrote:
Who are you, and why are you interested in scripture since you obviously think its some sort of self-help book the Gallente use. I am here to tell you its nothing of the sort - it is truth, in a book.


Approximative, at best.

- It is not one book, it is many, and a the knowledge of a whole culture, if not more.

- It is not Truth, the Truth only lies behind, for that Truth is the flawless word of God, and Scriptures are merely written by unperfect humans, in an unperfect language, through an unperfect interface. Unless of course, you refered to the TC's personnal relative truth (vs absolute Truth, with capital T for convenience).
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