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Attention New GalMil Pilots - The Gallente Elite Have Forgotten About You

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Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#21 - 2013-11-21 01:51:16 UTC
Pendulum, kbstats, pendulum, kbstats. The real reason for my post is I actually want to know, do any Gallente have anything to say about analogies involving weights suspended from a pivot or perhaps have some metrics that express the amount of ship explosions you've caused or been a victim of? I am curious about what you have to say about these two subjects. Please. Tell me.

Anyway.. I'm not going to call you 'idiots' like some of you have taken to doing to us. For one, because I don't believe it's true and two, calling you names won't help get my point across any clearer.

My point is twofold. One, of your own admission you have 'higher standards' and are not accepting of newbros. That's fine. We have always been a newbro friendly alliance. This is something that separates us and that's OK. Two, our advertising of our services and programs as well as our celebrating of accomplishments through topics posted here are not to discredit you. That's just not what we're about. Obviously you are free to come into these discussions and accuse us of being liars and attempt to discredit us if you want, but it's just not true. Our programs and accomplishments we have discussed (we have always been an alliance very fond of discussion) here are very real. And frankly if I see one more reply involving pendulums I might actually throw up.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#22 - 2013-11-21 02:22:40 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
Pendulum, kbstats, pendulum, kbstats. The real reason for my post is I actually want to know, do any Gallente have anything to say about analogies involving weights suspended from a pivot or perhaps have some metrics that express the amount of ship explosions you've caused or been a victim of? I am curious about what you have to say about these two subjects. Please. Tell me.

Anyway.. I'm not going to call you 'idiots' like some of you have taken to doing to us. For one, because I don't believe it's true and two, calling you names won't help get my point across any clearer.

My point is twofold. One, of your own admission you have 'higher standards' and are not accepting of newbros. That's fine. We have always been a newbro friendly alliance. This is something that separates us and that's OK. Two, our advertising of our services and programs as well as our celebrating of accomplishments through topics posted here are not to discredit you. That's just not what we're about. Obviously you are free to come into these discussions and accuse us of being liars and attempt to discredit us if you want, but it's just not true. Our programs and accomplishments we have discussed (we have always been an alliance very fond of discussion) here are very real. And frankly if I see one more reply involving pendulums I might actually throw up.


Look "Bro:" what did you expect when you joined the FW / started posting these Warfare & Tactics threads? That everyone here would be serving up tea and dumplings? That we would just fall all over ourselves to lavish praise upon every Special TEST Snowflake?

All this whinging about GalMil supposed "rage" and "accusations" is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as the idea that you are special for being at Tier 4. Most ridiculous is the idea that GalMil falling to Tier 1 is some kind of harrowing blow to our morale when we've been through this more times than any of us can keep track of.

The truth is GalMil are having fun, just like you TESTies seem to be. I don't know why you guys keep trying to convince us that this delicious feast of TEST killmails we are enjoying is somehow a turd taco. Clearly ya'll enjoy being at Tier 4, so good on you! Well done. Welcome to FacWar!

So somehow our lack of sufficient enthusiasm for, and general skepticism about the uniqueness of your accomplishments thus far makes us villains. How dare we not agree completely with your propaganda narrative or self assigned metrics for success?Well, by that measure... where do you get off denigrating our precious kbstats? Our hard spent hours getting drunk flying Cockbag Thrashers and tearing apart your plexing fleets with Derp Atrons mean nothing to you? How rude!
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#23 - 2013-11-21 02:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Zah Damaja
I'm not asking to be your friend, "bro." I'm just pointing out that you don't have to like what we say, but what we've been saying is the truth.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#24 - 2013-11-21 02:46:24 UTC
To be ignored, or to be scammed. These are the immediate choices you present?

Its pretty clear how bad a choice TEST'ies really are.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#25 - 2013-11-21 02:56:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zah Damaja
The choices we present are ISK for AWOX for Gallente pilots, Tier 4 LP with an ISK for LP cashout program, warzone control and fun (non-elitist you-must-be-this-kbstats-to-fly) PVP.

Basically we're getting rich while having fun from the littlest newbro to the tippy top of the Caldari militia, unlike the Gallente where only the people at the top eat.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#26 - 2013-11-21 03:01:03 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
I'm not asking to be your friend, "bro." I'm just pointing out that you don't have to like what we say, but what we've been saying is the truth.


Young Jedi, you will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

If what you're upset about are folks calling your programs scams... why would you even care? This is EVE, of course we are going to say you're scamming. Someone has to. Its practically in the EULA.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#27 - 2013-11-21 03:03:56 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Zah Damaja wrote:
I'm not asking to be your friend, "bro." I'm just pointing out that you don't have to like what we say, but what we've been saying is the truth.


Young Jedi, you will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.

If what you're upset about are folks calling your programs scams... why would you even care? This is EVE, of course we are going to say you're scamming. Someone has to. Its practically in the EULA.


There is clearly no room for newbros in the Gallente militia so I want to inform those who might read this forum that CalMil is accepting.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Apollo Eros
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#28 - 2013-11-21 03:04:10 UTC
Wait i'm confused. You are assuming that GAL Mil people are already not in test?

If anything you are giving these "elitists" more targets. Which after flying with them for years is really all they want. You can literally change up any doctrine and Gal Mil will find a way to kill you. You see where Test may have a ministry of theory crafting everyone in gal mil is capable of doing it because they are elitist. I have been out of FW for a while but only thing that I see changing is the majority of **** posting in this subform is now done by Test vs those other squid scrubs. Oh that and the best gal mil alliance getting kills.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=8441

You know there is LP distributed when kills are had right? That is why your journal flashes when you kill someone...

Also I am sure your FW bros need a service like LP for isk because they are to ******** to calculate a simple thing like LP/Hour that mixed with I am sure the payouts are not great when sharing 50 people to a single site.

Anyways... Thanks for the kills....


[Triple OG LVL 5 Space Wizard]
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#29 - 2013-11-21 03:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Zah Damaja
Apollo Eros wrote:
~kbstats~


kbstats once again rears its ugly head as the catch all reply.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#30 - 2013-11-21 03:15:46 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
I hope you newbro's out there thinking about joining Gallente FW have an EXCELLENT kill to death ratio because apparently that's all that matters to them and you will be ridiculed endlessly if that is not the case.


Hey, it's not my fault you're bad at pvp.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#31 - 2013-11-21 03:19:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Zah Damaja
chatgris wrote:
~kbstats~


Two in a row!

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#32 - 2013-11-21 03:24:35 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
The choices we present are ISK for AWOX for Gallente pilots, Tier 4 LP with an ISK for LP cashout program, warzone control and fun (non-elitist you-must-be-this-kbstats-to-fly) PVP.

Basically we're getting rich while having fun from the littlest newbro to the tippy top of the Caldari militia, unlike the Gallente where only the people at the top eat.



Since I'm still waiting for my client to patch, I might as well throw in another post in true GalMil tryhard spirit.

I'll not bother denying that there are "Elite PVP" types in GalMil. There are definitely personalities that I found grating in my early days in FacWar. Hell, some I still do. However, in no way does that attitude represent the FDU aligned Corps and Alliances in general.

Our militia is tight knit, but there many diverse threads in the Gallente tapestry. I'd say that's probably our greatest strength that I have seen. There's a place for players at every point of the spectrum of EVE experience. Groups like QCATS, JUSTK, SPDR, and my own alliance GMVA all have different expectations and culture among their players. Some groups stand apart, and others are more inclusive... but at the end of the day everyone in GalMil shares in the common cause. Eventually, your average GalMil pilot is going to find themselves welcome in fleets with pilots from every one of those groups.

Speaking to my own experience in Villore Accords, I found it to be a very newbie friendly environment. My actual time spent playing the game is far less than my character's age would suggest. I learned practically everything I know about EVE and pvp in the last year or so flying with GMVA. I've consistently found it to be an awesome group of folks to fly and fight with... and I'd choose my path with GalMil over joining an enormous Null Alliance any day.

So, "newbros" of Warfare & Tactics, if you exist... now is absolutely a great time to join FW. These periods of intense fighting are the most fun I've ever had in EVE. TEST folks are obviously well organized and motivated towards accomplishing TEST goals. If that sounds good, by all means join up. If you are more interested in an EVE experience where you can choose your own path, I guarantee you can find a home in GalMil. Not to be too shameless, but Villore Accords [GMVA] is a great place to start out in EVE.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#33 - 2013-11-21 03:29:12 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Zah Damaja wrote:
The choices we present are ISK for AWOX for Gallente pilots, Tier 4 LP with an ISK for LP cashout program, warzone control and fun (non-elitist you-must-be-this-kbstats-to-fly) PVP.

Basically we're getting rich while having fun from the littlest newbro to the tippy top of the Caldari militia, unlike the Gallente where only the people at the top eat.



Since I'm still waiting for my client to patch, I might as well throw in another post in true GalMil tryhard spirit.

I'll not bother denying that there are "Elite PVP" types in GalMil. There are definitely personalities that I found grating in my early days in FacWar. Hell, some I still do. However, in no way does that attitude represent the FDU aligned Corps and Alliances in general.

Our militia is tight knit, but there many diverse threads in the Gallente tapestry. I'd say that's probably our greatest strength that I have seen. There's a place for players at every point of the spectrum of EVE experience. Groups like QCATS, JUSTK, SPDR, and my own alliance GMVA all have different expectations and culture among their players. Some groups stand apart, and others are more inclusive... but at the end of the day everyone in GalMil shares in the common cause. Eventually, your average GalMil pilot is going to find themselves welcome in fleets with pilots from every one of those groups.

Speaking to my own experience in Villore Accords, I found it to be a very newbie friendly environment. My actual time spent playing the game is far less than my character's age would suggest. I learned practically everything I know about EVE and pvp in the last year or so flying with GMVA. I've consistently found it to be an awesome group of folks to fly and fight with... and I'd choose my path with GalMil over joining an enormous Null Alliance any day.

So, "newbros" of Warfare & Tactics, if you exist... now is absolutely a great time to join FW. These periods of intense fighting are the most fun I've ever had in EVE. TEST folks are obviously well organized and motivated towards accomplishing TEST goals. If that sounds good, by all means join up. If you are more interested in an EVE experience where you can choose your own path, I guarantee you can find a home in GalMil. Not to be too shameless, but Villore Accords [GMVA] is a great place to start out in EVE.


Careful, you're backpedaling very quickly, it's not safe.

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#34 - 2013-11-21 03:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Zah Damaja wrote:

Careful, you're backpedaling very quickly, it's not safe.


Attacking Abune isnt safe

Attacking Ostingele isnt safe

Does backpeddeling involve withdrawing from PVP?

Is shooting IHUBS more fun that winning PVP?

Im not saying, im just asking questions!
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#35 - 2013-11-21 03:59:28 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
Zah Damaja wrote:
chatgris wrote:
~kbstats~


Two in a row!


What did you expect?

If this thread is about gal mil caring more about kb stats than anything else in FW, well I plead no contest. I gleefully watch the kill stats for the last week every time I log into FW.

If you want lots of ISK, warzone control etc generally Caldari militia is your place to be. This isn't anything new - gal mil spent 10 months without a single system, and during the stupid isk for lp days we were mostly at T1.

If you want to fly with people that are good at small gang pvp, join Gallente.
Dread Operative
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#36 - 2013-11-21 04:06:36 UTC
If faction war is for training newbros, what exactly is TEST training them to do? Obviously not PVP, read "killboard stats", because that doesn't matter to them. Are you training them to fly cloaky stabbed frigs? How to structure grind in stealth bombers and warp off at the first sign of trouble? How to whelp fleets? I am curious, since PVP doesn't matter to you, what are you training them to do?
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#37 - 2013-11-21 04:09:01 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:


Careful, you're backpedaling very quickly, it's not safe.


No, I'm not. I had absolutely zero personal antagonism for TEST before ya'll joined FW, and I don't have any now. To me, you guys are simply new opponents in the fun internet spaceship game I play. My responses to the poor logic and inflated boasting on this forum have been motivated solely by the low quality of the arguments I've been reading.

My attitude here mirrors the attitude of most of the conversations I've had in GalMil comms. Some folks enjoy throwing around the same "TEST is bad" memes that you guys hear all the time. Couldn't care less about that stuff, much less about perpetuating it. Most of us are loving the fights ya'll bring, when you bring them. I give ya'll props for that, and I think you're doing better in FW than past nullsec groups.

What gets foolish is all the badposting about stuff like Tier 4 being an amazing and unexpected accomplishment. Srlsy, if ya'll manage to do something truly impressive I'll give you props for that too. Till then, I'm just being honest when I say that what you've done so far is nothing that hasn't been done before by people worse than you.
Zah Damaja
Reveka.
Bad-Touch
#38 - 2013-11-21 04:16:59 UTC
Dread Operative wrote:
If faction war is for training newbros, what exactly is TEST training them to do? Obviously not PVP, read "killboard stats", because that doesn't matter to them. Are you training them to fly cloaky stabbed frigs? How to structure grind in stealth bombers and warp off at the first sign of trouble? How to whelp fleets? I am curious, since PVP doesn't matter to you, what are you training them to do?


I don't actually have to explain why higher percentages of newbros in fleets would not make them as effective as more experienced PVP'ers right? I don't actually have to explain why us not caring about kbstats doesn't mean we don't PVP right? I don't actually have to explain why the fact that Gallente's our deaths on their killboards is because we PVP right?

[b]Zah Damaja Official TEST Alliance Please Ignore Sun Tzu Quoter[/b] _“A leader leads by example, not by force” -_Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#39 - 2013-11-21 04:19:10 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
Dread Operative wrote:
If faction war is for training newbros, what exactly is TEST training them to do? Obviously not PVP, read "killboard stats", because that doesn't matter to them. Are you training them to fly cloaky stabbed frigs? How to structure grind in stealth bombers and warp off at the first sign of trouble? How to whelp fleets? I am curious, since PVP doesn't matter to you, what are you training them to do?


I don't actually have to explain why higher percentages of newbros in fleets would not make them as effective as more experienced PVP'ers right? I don't actually have to explain why us not caring about kbstats doesn't mean we don't PVP right? I don't actually have to explain why the fact that Gallente's our deaths on their killboards is because we PVP right?


WOW, test finally admitted they lack the experience to train new EVE players in PVP because they are mostly newbros and bad at EVE.

Who would have thunk it?
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#40 - 2013-11-21 04:30:55 UTC
Zah Damaja wrote:
Dread Operative wrote:
If faction war is for training newbros, what exactly is TEST training them to do? Obviously not PVP, read "killboard stats", because that doesn't matter to them. Are you training them to fly cloaky stabbed frigs? How to structure grind in stealth bombers and warp off at the first sign of trouble? How to whelp fleets? I am curious, since PVP doesn't matter to you, what are you training them to do?


I don't actually have to explain why higher percentages of newbros in fleets would not make them as effective as more experienced PVP'ers right? I don't actually have to explain why us not caring about kbstats doesn't mean we don't PVP right? I don't actually have to explain why the fact that Gallente's our deaths on their killboards is because we PVP right?


See, there's nothing wrong with admitting that your pilots are trying to raise the "Elite PVP" bar in TEST a bit. This isn't happening in a vacuum. TEST was widely criticized, perhaps unfairly, during the Fountain War for its relative pvp skill falling below that of its allies and opponents. I think FW is a great place for your pilots to learn the value of individual initiative in EVE pvp. There's also the opportunity to learn a lot about situational awareness that goes beyond just following commands from the FC, among other things.

Honestly, I'd be stoked to see ya'll come out of this experience exactly as you're hoping to: with stronger pvpers and better FCs who are able to stand toe to toe with the rest of Null. If we are very lucky, TEST will enjoy FW enough to come back occasionally to inflate GalMil killboards. : P