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Attention New GalMil Pilots - The Gallente Elite Have Forgotten About You

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greg01
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#281 - 2013-11-27 10:53:09 UTC
Yes, this. Hey are your posts relevant to FW now that you're not in it? ....... Oh, I still have a few alts running around in FW Comedy Central.

maybe you should get off your lazy butt and write something from the Caldari side and send it to the Mitanni. Why would Funky write something good for the Caldaris ........ lazy? How did you know?


Take a breath and calm down fella, #itgetsbetter.. Crosi. As always EVE just gets better and better all the time.

Let Comedy Central continue. Get your alts out plexing.......

Tra la la
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#282 - 2013-11-27 14:45:31 UTC
chatgris wrote:

EDIT: Also, were there really a lot of "test won't get high WZ control" posts?

Yes. Also "lol why are you nerds still T2 two weeks in" and "ahahhaha you'll never get (system X)"

We pushed to T4, achieved high warzone control, and got pretty much every (system X) that we pushed for. Looks like we'll need to do a donation drive again though, our control is sloping :frogsiren:
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#283 - 2013-11-27 15:24:57 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
chatgris wrote:

EDIT: Also, were there really a lot of "test won't get high WZ control" posts?

Yes. Also "lol why are you nerds still T2 two weeks in" and "ahahhaha you'll never get (system X)"

We pushed to T4, achieved high warzone control, and got pretty much every (system X) that we pushed for. Looks like we'll need to do a donation drive again though, our control is sloping :frogsiren:


TBH you guys did spend a lot of time in T2 before bumping yourselves up. It was getting quite stale.





But we all knew since you all like to orbit buttons forever you'd reach T3/T4 np.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#284 - 2013-11-27 16:11:28 UTC
Two things I learned from this thread;

1 . Bads with bad killboard stats don't like killboard stats.
2. If you enjoy pvp in this game you are labeled a "tryhard" by the bads.


Good stuff :)



nom nom
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2013-11-27 16:22:32 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Two things I learned from this thread;

1 . Bads with bad killboard stats don't like killboard stats.
2. If you enjoy pvp in this game you are labeled a "tryhard" by the bads.


Good stuff :)




Correlation does not imply causation. Obviously we can argue about this for days, but TEST doesn't care about it's kb stats because they're bad - they're bad because we don't care. It's more fun that way, believe me. We LOVE PvP. Which is why we take a lot of fights we shouldn't take, hence the bad killboards. You're not making sense, tryhard
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#286 - 2013-11-27 17:02:48 UTC
No, trust me, it's far more fun to be good at pvpBig smile

Keep it up though, I am sure one or two people actually buy into that whole , "its bad because we don't care" line. Also taking fights you shouldn't is what makes a good kill board. Your not making sense bad.



ZheoTheThird wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Two things I learned from this thread;

1 . Bads with bad killboard stats don't like killboard stats.
2. If you enjoy pvp in this game you are labeled a "tryhard" by the bads.


Good stuff :)




Correlation does not imply causation. Obviously we can argue about this for days, but TEST doesn't care about it's kb stats because they're bad - they're bad because we don't care. It's more fun that way, believe me. We LOVE PvP. Which is why we take a lot of fights we shouldn't take, hence the bad killboards. You're not making sense, tryhard

nom nom
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#287 - 2013-11-27 18:26:12 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
No, trust me, it's far more fun to be good at pvpBig smile

Keep it up though, I am sure one or two people actually buy into that whole , "its bad because we don't care" line. Also taking fights you shouldn't is what makes a good kill board. Your not making sense bad.

Translation: No, I'm having more fun than you. No, really. I'm having way more fun than you. I also know better than you how your alliance thinks. I know way more about your community than you. Haha, rekt noob, look at my killboard

literally terrible
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#288 - 2013-11-27 18:54:13 UTC
Why are you so mad bro?

ZheoTheThird wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
No, trust me, it's far more fun to be good at pvpBig smile

Keep it up though, I am sure one or two people actually buy into that whole , "its bad because we don't care" line. Also taking fights you shouldn't is what makes a good kill board. Your not making sense bad.

Translation: No, I'm having more fun than you. No, really. I'm having way more fun than you. I also know better than you how your alliance thinks. I know way more about your community than you. Haha, rekt noob, look at my killboard

literally terrible

nom nom
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#289 - 2013-11-27 19:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Leto Thule
chatgris wrote:

Two notes on this:

1) I posted at the start that it would be nulli 2.0, another slaughterfest (and nulli got T4 too), and none of that is false.
2) They are posting that kbstats don't matter, and I'm posting the reverse. I guess we both win :)

Additionally, he's not saying "kbstats don't matter" he saying that kb's are not indicative of pvp skill and that it's forgotten relative to sov. And that I completely disagree with. I can look at the top 10 on BC and know from my own experience that most of those pilots are amazing solo and small gang guys (goodbye loren, you will be missed o7)

EDIT: Also, were there really a lot of "test won't get high WZ control" posts? I know as soon as heard the stream saying they were coming to FW I looked forward to (apart from clueless nullsec noobs to farm) a gallente wz drop and started tracking navy domi prices.


1) I wasnt here for that... before my time I suppose.
2) Your correct. You both are getting what you like. Win/win.

About your kbstats and their relevance to SOV... thats honestly in the opinion of each and every player. I dont want to speak for Zheo, but I THINK that he is referring to the larger picture of theater control in relation to independent losses. Any military commander will always weigh the cost (individual losses) to the potential gains (control of the warzone enough to make a profit). Again, not to speak for him, but his argument appears to be that you can win the battle, but you wont win the war, so to speak. Ergo, TEST are willing to take the required losses to achieve the control of the theater.

So, if you look at it this way, KB stats are indeed forgotten in regards to SOV.

Edit: A note on your skill and KB stats... Some pilots are different that others. You can obtain a green KB just being an F1 monkey in a goonfleet, or by being a proficient pilot that knows their shyte. My killboard is give/take. I take fights I know I will lose, or ill chase a sure win. Depends on my mood. Lost a pod to you guys the other night after typing "sssssssssssss" in local lol..... I dont consider myself to be a great pvp god, but im no scrub either. That isnt really reflected on my killboard. (No, i dont use battleclinic)

Lastly... Loren left the game?

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ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#290 - 2013-11-27 19:35:36 UTC  |  Edited by: ZheoTheThird
Leto Thule wrote:
chatgris wrote:

Two notes on this:

1) I posted at the start that it would be nulli 2.0, another slaughterfest (and nulli got T4 too), and none of that is false.
2) They are posting that kbstats don't matter, and I'm posting the reverse. I guess we both win :)

Additionally, he's not saying "kbstats don't matter" he saying that kb's are not indicative of pvp skill and that it's forgotten relative to sov. And that I completely disagree with. I can look at the top 10 on BC and know from my own experience that most of those pilots are amazing solo and small gang guys (goodbye loren, you will be missed o7)

EDIT: Also, were there really a lot of "test won't get high WZ control" posts? I know as soon as heard the stream saying they were coming to FW I looked forward to (apart from clueless nullsec noobs to farm) a gallente wz drop and started tracking navy domi prices.


1) I wasnt here for that... before my time I suppose.
2) Your correct. You both are getting what you like. Win/win.

About your kbstats and their relevance to SOV... thats honestly in the opinion of each and every player. I dont want to speak for Zheo, but I THINK that he is referring to the larger picture of theater control in relation to independent losses. Any military commander will always weigh the cost (individual losses) to the potential gains (control of the warzone enough to make a profit). Again, not to speak for him, but his argument appears to be that you can win the battle, but you wont win the war, so to speak. Ergo, TEST are willing to take the required losses to achieve the control of the theater.

So, if you look at it this way, KB stats are indeed forgotten in regards to SOV.

Edit: A note on your skill and KB stats... Some pilots are different that others. You can obtain a green KB just being an F1 monkey in a goonfleet, or by being a proficient pilot that knows their shyte. My killboard is give/take. I take fights I know I will lose, or ill chase a sure win. Depends on my mood. Lost a pod to you guys the other night after typing "sssssssssssss" in local lol..... I dont consider myself to be a great pvp god, but im no scrub either. That isnt really reflected on my killboard. (No, i dont use battleclinic)

Lastly... Loren left the game?

Almost there. While we'd rather win the war than getting caught up in totally honorable 1v1s, the simple truth is that we do not care about kbstats. I can't speak for every member here, but the one who cared joined BL or EMP a long time ago. TEST is left with a brave newbie-like attitude, just without the newbieness. This might be hard to comprehend for someone who has done FW for years and looks up his kb-efficiency every evening after he's done playing, then checks what position on the corp leaderboard he is and then furiously wanks when he gets some kind of reward at the end of the month - but we really simply don't care.

It's just a number. You can't buy spaceships to welp with it. The only purpose it has is to show off with it. I've also said it a hundred times already, but killboard stats are so easy to pad that you can't use them as a measure of skill. Of dedication, yes, but not of skill. Unless it's a special case, like someone regularily losing armor tanked phoenixes to rifter ganks, you can't tell a whole lot about how good said player actually is.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#291 - 2013-11-27 19:58:35 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
TEST is left with a brave newbie-like attitude, just without the newbieness.
Using the fotm alliance in Eve to define your alliance isn't a good thing. Need market differentiation. Afterall, why join the imitation (TEST) when you can join the original (Brave Newbies)?

What exactly is TEST's niche nowadays?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#292 - 2013-11-27 20:15:09 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
the simple truth is that we do not care about kbstats.


Thou doth protest too much.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#293 - 2013-11-27 21:02:55 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Two things I learned from this thread;

1 . Bads with bad killboard stats don't like killboard stats.
2. If you enjoy pvp in this game you are labeled a "tryhard" by the bads.


Good stuff :)




Correlation does not imply causation. Obviously we can argue about this for days, but TEST doesn't care about it's kb stats because they're bad - they're bad because we don't care. It's more fun that way, believe me. We LOVE PvP. Which is why we take a lot of fights we shouldn't take, hence the bad killboards. You're not making sense, tryhard


Your kb stats are bad for a very simple reason- you lose more often than win

Everything else is just blabla that nobody cares about



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ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2013-11-27 23:15:59 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
TEST is left with a brave newbie-like attitude, just without the newbieness.
Using the fotm alliance in Eve to define your alliance isn't a good thing. Need market differentiation. Afterall, why join the imitation (TEST) when you can join the original (Brave Newbies)?

What exactly is TEST's niche nowadays?

I don't define us that way, we are TEST and have always been TEST. We might be easier to understand for traditionally tryhard leet pvpers if I compare our mindset to BNI's.

Roime wrote:

Your kb stats are bad for a very simple reason- you lose more often than win

Everything else is just blabla that nobody cares about

I keep losing manticores to smartbombers, true. I'm a total baddie. Our fleets don't really lose though, gallente generally gets smashed, then complains about blobbing and then reships to hunt ventures to get the efficiency back up. It is kind of funny
Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#295 - 2013-11-27 23:30:41 UTC
It's really obvious if you fly in the warzone that TEST aren't interested in fights. You literally avoid groups of Gallente that are in any sort of organized fleet even if you have double their numbers.

You also don't try to contest plexes in Innia and rather just AFK plex them down after they leave.


Just stick to afk farming. It's what you do best.
Garan Nardieu
Super Serious Fight Club
#296 - 2013-11-28 09:55:35 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
...Our fleets don't really lose though, gallente generally gets smashed, then complains about blobbing and then reships to hunt ventures to get the efficiency back up. It is kind of funny...


You don't lose, you run away which I guess counts as draw in your books.
Also, we do get smashed every thursday evening, when its drunken thrashers themed night. How did you know that?
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#297 - 2013-11-28 10:12:11 UTC
Leto Thule wrote:
You can obtain a green KB just being an F1 monkey in a goonfleet, or by being a proficient pilot that knows their shyte. My killboard is give/take. I take fights I know I will lose, or ill chase a sure win. Depends on my mood. Lost a pod to you guys the other night after typing "sssssssssssss" in local lol..... I dont consider myself to be a great pvp god, but im no scrub either. That isnt really reflected on my killboard. (No, i dont use battleclinic)


Well, if you use BC, it will take those things into account. Did you try to solo 10 frigates in your destroyer. Did you kill a few before you died? You'll get rewarded far more for the kills than the loss.

Leto Thule wrote:

Lastly... Loren left the game?


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3935756#post3935756 Farewell loren!
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#298 - 2013-11-28 11:04:56 UTC
ZheoTheThird wrote:
[quote=Leto Thule]
TEST is left with a brave newbie-like attitude, just without the newbieness. This might be hard to comprehend for someone who has done FW for years and looks up his kb-efficiency every evening after he's done playing, then checks what position on the corp leaderboard he is and then furiously wanks when he gets some kind of reward at the end of the month - but we really simply don't care.

It's just a number. You can't buy spaceships to welp with it. The only purpose it has is to show off with it. I've also said it a hundred times already, but killboard stats are so easy to pad that you can't use them as a measure of skill. Of dedication, yes, but not of skill. Unless it's a special case, like someone regularily losing armor tanked phoenixes to rifter ganks, you can't tell a whole lot about how good said player actually is.


I have to disagree here. While a brave-newbie attitude (we call it "flying fearless") is a great thing, it doesnt have to end in ****** KB-stats.
Importand for that is, do not fly expensive ships unless you´ve learned how to fly them in cheaper ones.
Dont try to do missions or haul your **** around in highsec while you are in FW.

Its all about being clever and minimizing unnececary stupid losses. That doesnt mean you shouldnt throw frigates and **** around and engage eeeeeverything, but keep your logistics safe.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#299 - 2013-11-28 16:23:26 UTC
Charlie Firpol wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
[quote=Leto Thule]
TEST is left with a brave newbie-like attitude, just without the newbieness. This might be hard to comprehend for someone who has done FW for years and looks up his kb-efficiency every evening after he's done playing, then checks what position on the corp leaderboard he is and then furiously wanks when he gets some kind of reward at the end of the month - but we really simply don't care.

It's just a number. You can't buy spaceships to welp with it. The only purpose it has is to show off with it. I've also said it a hundred times already, but killboard stats are so easy to pad that you can't use them as a measure of skill. Of dedication, yes, but not of skill. Unless it's a special case, like someone regularily losing armor tanked phoenixes to rifter ganks, you can't tell a whole lot about how good said player actually is.


I have to disagree here. While a brave-newbie attitude (we call it "flying fearless") is a great thing, it doesnt have to end in ****** KB-stats.
Importand for that is, do not fly expensive ships unless you´ve learned how to fly them in cheaper ones.
Dont try to do missions or haul your **** around in highsec while you are in FW.

Its all about being clever and minimizing unnececary stupid losses. That doesnt mean you shouldnt throw frigates and **** around and engage eeeeeverything, but keep your logistics safe.

Of course it doesn't have to. TEST could very well stop fighting against superior odds. We could start commisaring people who split dps. We could start doing CTAs. We could behave exactly like every null powerbloc ever. Had we done that during fountain, we very well would have been able to held fountain. That's not TEST's way. TEST's way is bringing griffinfleet to a BNI brawl, then slowly getting killed one by one by the one hero rifter that didn't get jammed. TEST's way is completely ignoring the odds and just throwing ships at something until it dies. We have never cared about kbstats and we're not about to start because some tryhards we're beating think it's the most important thing in this game. It's great fun and it's worked so far in FW, so I don't see us changing in that regard.
ZheoTheThird
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#300 - 2013-11-28 16:25:43 UTC
Garan Nardieu wrote:
ZheoTheThird wrote:
...Our fleets don't really lose though, gallente generally gets smashed, then complains about blobbing and then reships to hunt ventures to get the efficiency back up. It is kind of funny...


You don't lose, you run away which I guess counts as draw in your books.
Also, we do get smashed every thursday evening, when its drunken thrashers themed night. How did you know that?

We run away after looting your wrecks. Counts as a win in my books. Oh, getting smashed is a time honored TEST tradition, we know everything about it..