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Because it is not a covops ship.

Also see the parallel thread for the exact same question.

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Yeah, for a lot of pilots when they stumble onto a gate camp the last thing they actually think to do is wait... observe... make sure any timers are done.... before they make their move.

It's kind of an iconic feature of EVE compared to other more twitch based games. Here it pays to be calm, cool, and collected when in a hazardous situation (so as to better think your way out of it), where in other games your best bet is to let your reflexes (and creative bunny hopping) be your defense.

It's really, really easy to work around.
And it has lots to do with PVP balance.

Yes that's exactly how it works.
no need to do any further research on this.
nothing more to see here.

Pasted from other thread. changed one word to make it relevant here.

the distinction between covert ops ships and SOE ships is tenuous at best, especially if you are familiar with the history of supposed covert ops ships.

Within the supposed class of covert ops ships you have many varying abilities, none of which seem to apply to all of the ships.

Old bombers couldn't warp cloaked and had a speed bonus while cloaked. Black Ops battleships are still like this.
New bombers, old bombers, and black ops battleships have 100% reduction in targeting delay.
New bombers can warp cloaked.
All ships that can fit a covert ops cloak have reactivation reduction. Except for SOE and maybe tournament reward ships.
No ships that cannot fit a covert ops cloak have cloak reactivation reduction. Except Black Ops.
All ships that can fit a covert ops cloak can fit covert cyno generators and use black ops bridges. No ship that cannot fit the covert ops cloak can fit the covert cyno gen or use a black ops bridge. Except for the black ops battleships, which can light covert cynos and cannot fit covert ops cloaking devices.
SOE ships can both fit covert cyno gens and use covert ops bridges.
Only the t2 scanning frigate is formally known as a covert ops ship.


Its pretty silly to take the lack of reactivation delay as a sign that SOE ships are not covert ops ships. Lets just say that they are and be done with it, accepting the fact that this is one more wrinkle of variation in a varied class. In any case, this was either overlooked by CCP, or intended as a balance feature that was specific to these ships. Its also a pretty gigantic troll that will get people killed, as the ships behave exactly like other covert ops ships in every respect save the need to hold gate-cloak slightly longer (and not be able to jam-cloak or whatever, but these seems irrelevant).

What's more interesting is WHY CCP decided not to give them reactivation delay. Possible reasons.

1. to troll the **** out of people who jump into a gatecamp and forget that their ship behaves slightly differently than every other ship.
2. to force SOE ships to be revealed on D-scan when they drop probes.
3. to force SOE ships to be revelaed on D-scan and on grid when they chase you into a plex and have to decloak for various reasons, they cannot do it briefly like a t3 or other covert ops ship can.
4. to make them visible and probable for longer when using a mobile depot.
5. to make them far more vulnerable to accidental decloaks than other ships, and to perhaps encourage them to pre-emptively decloak in certain situations.

Unless this is someone answering themselves with an alt it's something i can't recall seeing in GD.
Refreshing change from the usual smart alec replies and goblin gabble.
As you were.

Ladies and Gentlemen!
This is the first "Buff Cloak Thread" in EVE History!
Let this moment sink in...

OP, be realistic please...
You cannot really believe that a "Servant Sisters of EVE" offer you a ship that outperforms a specialized T2 racial Recon ship, made for military operations.

A noobship with a doomsday weapon would be truly something what you would deserve, and I wished I could offer you that, but sorry, that's not gonna happen.
Likewise, try to accept that you cannot get a invincible OP-ship like this Stratios that would offer you better performance than a T2 Recon ship...
The Stratios is OP already, the way it is.

Furthermore, the Stratios is currently pretty expensive of course. Not really worth the price anyway. Even a Curse/Pilgrim would perform much better at cost of 100-150M ISK, and they have natively high explosive armor resistances.

The Stratios price tag is currently pretty sick.

However, concerning the CovOps, one could use the SOE ships for CovOps operations, but by far not very efficiently.
With CovOps I do not refer to exploration but to espionage in hostile environment.
The SOE have the reactivation delay of prototype and improved cloaking devices, and espionage is basically impossible with those cloaking devices already. not only because one cannot warp while cloaked, but also because of the extended reactivation delay.
The extended reactivation delay destroys pretty much the concept of "espionage and CovOps".

The purpose of CovOps operations is not to kill anything anyway. The strength of CovOps, especially in hostile environment, is the "potential" and the "threat factor".

I would not tag the SOE ships as "CovOps" but as "Commando" ships.

Hm, I must stop right here in order to not drift into a 10 page-long post about CovOps, for I love its concept and beauty.