Ships & Modules

I used the same playing style on a paladin. I feel your pain.

What a miserable piece of **** that is now.

Sniping gimps the turret damage by 300 dps and drones + smart bombs are useless.

Close range and you are anchored nicely near the warp in for the first pvper to come your way, plus tracking/range issues since you are no longer able to approach rats.

Or you could turn bastion off and just play like before without the awesome web or a proper drone bay.

I get that they don't balance ships around nullsec pve, but still, it's infuriating.

Not sure what the op is on about -I love the new varg, but then i never flew the old one.

Still there are a good few missions were the rats are around 70km out. I think intercept the sabatuers is one. I think there are some rats that are that distance away on stop the thief as well. Not to mention worlds collide im sure there are more but im doing this all from memory so forgive me if i'm wrong. Maybe the blockade? im sure some of the rats there spawn 70-80 km away.
EDIT: oh yeah final rooms of dread pirate scarlet and angels extra as well.

so the mjd bonus is not useless either

I dont have mjd trained yet so i couldn't jump in and test but i pissed off most of the room in intercept the sabatuers last night and was able to tank that easily. It was against guristas as well but guess what - they couldnt jam me.

Its also really nice seeing ~a third of your shield rep in a single cycle. (yes i don't have marauders maxed yet)


Bastion animation looks cool as well though i wish it had glowy bits like the golem.

tank, range, ewar immunity, mjd bonus = awesomesauce

The only mission it is kind of ok is massive attack since you get in 2 pockets a big spawn at 100km, and you have to bounce back to the gate in the 3. pocket(the Kronos was such a good ship for that before the nerf, because it could throw out good dps at 100km with rails and sentry's), for the others a MWD will be a lot better(especially blockade, where you want to bounce 20-30km a lot between the spawns to deal high dps all the time).



A proper flown paladin could apply nearly twice of this at close with the 90% web.

Overall it is kind of sad, I did Assault vs Serpentis in my Kronos the way I normally did it and used my rep twice over the hole mission(300M 3 slot tank, zero tank rigs). It is like after years of dps, ehp, cap, range and individual hull buffs people are still not satisfied how trivial it is with the current alternatives and sacrifice a hull type that had it uses(don't get me wrong it did need a helping hand, but form somebody that did understand why and where marauders where useful) just to create something that lets you ignore any kind of mechanic the person that designed the stuff put into the game(it really reminds me of raiding a L60 raid with a L90 char in epic gear, where any kind of punishing mechanics are completely irrelevant if they are not instant kill).

Why is that the only mission where its kind of ok? I have listed several missions where the rats are 70km out, and there are more i just cant remember them right now. MJD'ing to them will put you 30km off....

Intercept the Saboteurs got tons of frigs and it would take forever to kill them all with light drones if you mjd right in, so you want to move 10km form the warpin towards right spawn, and move the hull a 2. time around 20km(you agro the last spawn while being on the last 5-6 hulls of the rest). For Blockade you would pull the spawns away from the centre(the gate) while you actually want them moving towards the gate to have everything at a good range. WC got the gate around 20km off if you use the hacker key, with a long range setup(that can do good damage at 100km) you can burn halve way to the spawn behind the gate and pull back to the gate during the last 1-2 BS and the mwd it very useful for repositioning in stage 2 and 3 while the mjd doesn't help here. In pirate scarlet, while mjd would be a bit quicker in the last pocket you can kill stuff on the way towards there and the mwd saves a lot of time clearing out the first 3 pockets and reaching the gate(I'm need around 20 minutes with 2 mwd fitted BS for that mission and can't imagine a mjd would speed this up).

Posting in an Eve Online "first world problem" thread... T2 Battleship complaints. Wow.

now i heard it all, this is just whining for the sake of whining now, when is the dislike button going to be implemented CCp???

2c

Considering that Vargur never needed extra tank for l4 work was all about being fast enough to offset fighting in deep falloff

So nerfing its falloff via TE nerf than make it static or force it to jumps in 100km intervals while taking away some drone dps + gaining barely worth of mention range ONLY in bastion mode is straight out nerf to the hull

Lets not forget speed nerf as well.

Vargur have lowest dps in any configuration

Vargur have worst range in any configuration

Vargur with long range weapons is not an option

Vargur dont shoot scorch it dont shoot missiles and it cant pair with rails in any scenario

Due to this Vargur pilots need to be in a good spot compared to red dots in ANY given time bastion is certainly NOT optimal way of doing it so......

it certainly didn't got buffed with changes.lets face it if you want sick tank dps and sick range vargur will not cross your mind first or second nor third.

You dont need to move much in the new vargur. I think the varg gets ~1100 paper dps with hail. And it can tank ~3x the damage the machariel can.

The mach gets ~1250 - 1300 paper dps

Anyway with the vargur you can jump or mwd into the rats, facetank them and blap them in low falloff bringing you much closer to that paper dps.

If your sniping with the mach you are shooting deep in falloff and you have or you fly towards them reducing ur range and increasing your dps but isnt that the same thing as jumping into or at least nearer to the blob of rats in the varg?

Sure once u get up close the mach will do way more damage than the varg no contest there, but its a pirate bs its meant to have more damage.

Not to be abrasive, but you're just wasting a whole lot of ship like that. You don't need Bastion for the tank at artillery range, you're too far to loot and salvage at the same time, and artillery + MJD underperforms against AC + MWD when you look at mission run time and isk/hr.

There are some good arguments both for and against bastion mode. I haven't seen any good arguments for Arties on a Marauder.