Ships & Modules

As predicted, tested on Sisi, moaned about as you can imagine, and generally well understood. Heres what happens when you homogenise a ship class.

Whats wrong with homogenisation? Why cant my Vagabond have 800 dps like my Ishtar? What is it that minmatar seem to have more or less the worst ships across the board - forgiving a few exceptions - I'll take them, thats fine, there are exceptions across all races - so perhaps thats the name of the game now.

Back to Vargur. Paper DPS 750 (guns only, 4x RF Gyros - its god awful)

I warp in, and then jump to 100 or so. Rats spawn. Crap, loads are 120 off. I cant lock - bugger - need to fit a sensor booster. Way to go CCP - FFS did they even think.

I start on frigates - pop, pop, miss, miss, and take a nap while you wait for that overdps to fire again ... umm ... ummm - how much wasted DPS? Of course, its ALL FALLOFF - at the farthest end. 200 dps if you are "lucky". I can switch ammo, but oh no! DPS is even worse and it takes a week to switch, lets jump again. This time an angle to get to 70k. Rats close fast, but I'm up to maybe 500 dps. And lets jump again ... ad infinitum.

What a mess. I used to love the Vargur in PVE, nice and simple AB in, dps goes up fast, small rats die fast, large rats evaporate. Now its (yes - repeating from F&I) a Maelstom in its close range setup.

Bastion is pointless as YOU CANT BURN TOWARDS your targets to increase DPS. MJD is pointless because you cant get to them at a decent range at any time. Fit an AB and MJD ... and have a supergimped tank or weakend damage application, bastion doesn't work for the closein missioner - the rats either drift away or pull tight orbits while you are stuck.

Oddly, its a Maelstrom in its long range setup too. And what is the point of all that tank when range is your tank, when you cant use it with decent applied dps?

Did anyone else see this coming?

While I think that Paladin and Kronos are far superior to other two marauders after changes, why exactly you use autocannons if you MJD 100km away? You do realize it's a short range weapon system? With exception of Scorch, other marauders would also suck at those ranges with their short range weaponry.

Use your 100% increase in tank and stay close to rats.

How about staying close range when using close range weapons ?

95% of mission rats stay within 50km

Yes - and on a vargur 50km is at the 100 dps range of autocannons. Try it.

So please read above. My optimal on Autos is 4k, my falloff is 60k. I use Bastion and have to sit still while those rats move to 50k. Work it out FFS. I fit an AB and have a much slower ship. I get NO benefit from bastion in an autocannon setup.

With artillery - dps application is stupidly low, stupidly slow, mostly missing or overhitting (the 100% to gun exacerbates the problem).

The Paladin and Golem work as their optimals are great on long range. 3 Kronos sold by corpmates and now 2 Vargurs gone. Mine going.

You don't have to use MJD. Like the guy above said you can stick to auto cannons and bastion up taking advantage of that massive rep bonus.

Hmm? A bastioned AC Vargur with a TE and two range-scripted TCs does ~700 dps at 50k, and that's with T2 gyros.

Also if you are worried about overhitting with artillery; you can ungroup your turrets. I don't know your fit but I get the feeling you have a 2-4 slot tank and you can get away with a 1-2 slot tank now. The new empty slots can get tracking comps/enha/etc.

The vargur tank could already shrug even the hardest level 4 mission. 100% extra means nothing.

NOPE. it does NOT!


VArgur only do full dps at point blank range!!!

Sure it does. It means you can drop a tank mod or two for prop, TCs, SeBos, whatever.


It does, actually. Raw DPS for an AC Vargur is almost 1000. Graph it in Pyfa... it's still getting around 700 at 50k.