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Decian Cor

Stronghelm Corporation

Solyaris Chtonium

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#41 - 2013-11-21 06:30:58 UTC

OP

I take it you've never been in an actual tactical, dynamic, or emergency situation. That's alright, no biggie. But if you had been, I feel like questioning the usefulness of radio/mic communication would have never crossed your mind.

In situations where **** hits the fan, the only thing that is more important than accountability of your squad/fleet/co-workers/whatever, is COMMUNICATION.

Communication must be continous to provide accurate intelligence of developing situations. It must be brief, clear, and concise. Brevity codes come in handy, and most PVP fleets probably use them without even knowing it.

As for people stepping on each other over the mic; that is bound to happen in hectic situations. Perfect and proper radio discipline only comes with practice and exposure to dynamic situations.

Hope this helps to clear up the matter for you.

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Grandma Squirel

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#42 - 2013-11-21 06:55:47 UTC

Decian Cor wrote:

Exactly right. Just because its possible to run a fleet without voice comms does not mean you can run a fleet as well without them. Likewise, a fleet where everyone has a mic, is going to have an advantage over a fleet were only the FC and a scout does, assuming the fleet members have sufficient comms discipline to know when to shut up.

Your FC and scouts are not omniscient, in a dynamic engagement, we are all being bombarded with loads of information, and it will often be the case that someone other then the FC will notice something VERY IMPORTANT before the FC does, and can then alert the FC for a decision using comms. Additional members of the fleet often need to coordinate as well. A few of many many possible examples:
-Hostile Cyno in the middle of the fleet, snap decision needed, fight, flee, don't agress.
-Reps not holding, FC busy target calling etc.
-Pilot bringing up the rear notices hostiles following
-Your tackled in a situation where the fleet has time get to you and either save you, or at least get some kills on what ever is attacking.
-Calling points so that all your tackle isn't pointing the same ship.
-Bombs if your fleet wont be able to tank a full bomb run

If your strategy is to blob out the sun, and win with strength of numbers, then maybe you don't care about the ability of your fleet members to communicate with the FC or each other, but most people want to maximize the effectiveness of each member.

Logan Joriksa

Shockwave Unlimited

RAZOR Alliance

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#43 - 2013-11-21 07:19:00 UTC

In my experience a while ago we had a person who didn't come onto comms because he claimed he was deaf and it would not aid in any way. But we worked around it and he joined PVP fleets provided we broadcast orders.

Turns out he wasn't actually deaf and was a spy so our rivals always knew our fleet comps and location; he was on THEIR comms but in our fleet.

Deaf Troll = Best Troll?

Viziam Amarr Empire 36
Niclas Solo Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 36	#44 - 2013-11-21 07:31:36 UTC I don't want to fly with ppl not on voice com, maybe you can't talk, but you can listen. You can't have people not knowing when to jump, who is primary and so on, writing that just take too long.

Yummy Chocolate

Brutor Tribe

Minmatar Republic

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#45 - 2013-11-21 08:01:05 UTC | Edited by: Yummy Chocolate

The only voices that actually matter are that of the FC during fights and scouts outside of those fights.

But what can you expect in a militia of religious people that demand high standards while not actually delivering, and on top of that paint all their ships in gold as if massive erections can win a fight.

On the other hand using teamspeak and being on comms, although not requiring that most of the fleet spam voice comms all the time, does contribute to the effectiveness of the fleet by replacing long and finger-snapping texting with vocalizing with single-push buttons at worst.

I guess the important thing is to remind people every so often who's in charge and who they should listen to. It's all about practicing fleet discipline and doing things right instead of making a salad out of the voices of several dozen people on teamspeak.

And if anyone wants to shout out about something important, there's always the common call of "check-check" that gets people to shut up but I guess a militia built on religious egoism doesn't really care about that.

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ZAKURELL0 LINDA

KarmaFleet

Goonswarm Federation

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#46 - 2013-11-21 09:30:31 UTC

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Tul Breetai wrote:

We have several players who can't use mics, and that's fine, they just don't get to FC/scout. People will say no as a rule of thumb for all kinds of reasons, but it's really just laziness.

I would disagree. For most it would be a matter of trust. When someone says they can’t get on voice my first thought is they are afraid someone will recognize their voice and thus be revealed as a SPY.

it could be, but not necessary.

I cannot talk on comms 95% of the time due to rl restrictions, while i do have a mic.

but if i can play EVE in office, my corpmates might prob hear me talkin all day long Blink

see the difference? rl does matter and ppl shoulda accept that.

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Decian Cor

Stronghelm Corporation

Solyaris Chtonium

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#47 - 2013-11-21 11:08:23 UTC | Edited by: Decian Cor

ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote:

E-2C Hawkeye wrote:

Tul Breetai wrote:

We have several players who can't use mics, and that's fine, they just don't get to FC/scout. People will say no as a rule of thumb for all kinds of reasons, but it's really just laziness.

see the difference? rl does matter and ppl shoulda accept that.

This is just my way of looking at it, but...

If you are playing EvE while at the office, at work, when you should be WORKING or doing whatever job you have, then you have only just proved that RL most definitely does not come before Eve.

Seriously, if you are putting a video game before your livelihood, it begs the question "What RL restrictions, exactly?"

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Zions Child

Higashikata Industries

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#48 - 2013-11-21 20:32:30 UTC

Voice comms are necessary in any FLEET situation.

Mics are only necessary if you are doing something where you need to speak in a fleet (e.g., FC, scout, whatever), or if you are in a small gang setup.

In fact, it's probably better if everyone who shouldn't be speaking in a fleet either turn off their mics, or have their mics muted.

Small gangs are different, and cannot operate without voice comms. In a POS or structure bash, voice comms and copious amounts of alcohol and porn are necessary.

Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 631
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 631	#49 - 2013-11-21 21:42:30 UTC this is bs we are a pretty tight pvp op and even we only require mics of our fc's and scouts. F1 pressers just need headphones and there is no good reason anybody playing this game should not have those unless you are either deaf or, well, deaf.

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Trillian Stargazer Perkone Caldari State Likes received: 12	#50 - 2013-11-21 23:53:02 UTC March rabbit wrote: as it looks most people just too stupid/lazy to write and read. They can only speak and listen (sometimes).... That's why you need voice comms for fleet ops. voice coms are necessary. by the time you would have read this and responded, your whole fleet could be wiped out.