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Rammix
TheMurk
#1 - 2013-11-19 23:22:39 UTC
It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay.
It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds.

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#2 - 2013-11-19 23:39:54 UTC
turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s).

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Noriko Mai
#3 - 2013-11-19 23:40:31 UTC
Rammix wrote:
It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay.
It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds.

Then hold your cloak longer

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Eko Fromtv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-11-19 23:41:59 UTC
Rammix wrote:
It has 30 second cloak reactivation delay.
It's way too long and doesn't let to travel normally: it takes significantly less time to pass through a system, than for the timer to run out. If you turn on the cloak when warping off to the next gate, then, after you reach it and jump through, you will be unable to cloak for 10 or sometimes even 20 seconds.


What is gate cloak?

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Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-19 23:43:20 UTC
my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship?
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2013-11-19 23:53:11 UTC
The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.

Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#7 - 2013-11-20 00:18:41 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.

Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.


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Rammix
TheMurk
#8 - 2013-11-20 00:19:24 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
turn it off after you enter warp. if you land on a gate with smartbombs going off you've probably had it anyway. with the cloak off you can run your hardener(s).

It's not the best way. Better to warp to 20-30km cloaked and circle around looking for safe approach.

Noriko Mai wrote:

Then hold your cloak longer

Eko Fromtv wrote:

What is gate cloak?

Frigates are about speed. Cloaky frigates are for cloaky speed (of travel in this case).
Cloaky ships are meant to stay cloaked for MAXIMUM of time wherever they travel. What's the point of flying a frigate if you have to pause 10-20 seconds after each gate to just keep yourself invisible on d-scan.
I think they smoke some reeeaally baad weed.

Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
The Astero is NOT a covert ops ships and therefore does NOT have the covert ops cloaking delay reduction.

Be ******* happy that you even get to use the covert ops cloak on a non covert ops or Recon or BR..because they could have just as easily made it so that they can only use a standard cloak..and I couldn't image the crocodile tears youd be pouring in my GD if that was the case.

As long as it can use covert ops cloaking device it IS a covert ops ship by its nature (by name - only scanner frigates are covert ops if you want to insist on correctness).
Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed and agility, so when you travel in them you usually don't notice cloak reactivation delays. A frigate is a totally another thing - this cloak reactivation time should be reduced by 30% at the very least.
Tears? Crocodile tears? Lol. Seems you don't get the usage of that idiom. You absolutely don't.

Btw, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a delay, I'm saying that 30 seconds are way too much for a frigate, especially for a covert one.

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Rammix
TheMurk
#9 - 2013-11-20 00:24:05 UTC
If they were afraid of making it overpowered they should've given normal recloaking delays but also should've made these ships a bit weaker in pvp.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#10 - 2013-11-20 00:48:50 UTC
So is this going to be the official "Astero is OP" start thread?


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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2013-11-20 01:03:48 UTC
Maybe this needs to be a 'Remove cloaks from SoE ships because [reasons]" thread instead of a 'CCP GIB ME AWSUM SHIP BUTT I WANT MOAR AWSUM AND MAKE FOTM SHIP SUPER OP BECUZ IT IZ FOTM SHIP' thread.



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Lailyana Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-11-20 02:29:18 UTC
Your tears fuel my laughter, that is all

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New Eden Public Security Section 9
#13 - 2013-11-20 02:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: CMD Ishikawa
Q_Q !!!
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#14 - 2013-11-20 02:36:38 UTC
Let the tears begin to flow ...
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-11-20 02:38:47 UTC
Hey, I know...

...let's just give it every ******* bonus that a T2 covops get, and also good combat ability.

That would make sense.

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#16 - 2013-11-20 02:50:12 UTC
Omega Flames wrote:
my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship?

What does "on a much larger ship" have to do with anything? Is there some scientific principle I'm missing?

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-11-20 03:14:23 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Omega Flames wrote:
my deep space transport with an improved cloak has a 30 sec timer....should a frig meant to use a cov cloak really have just as long as the improved does on a much larger ship?

What does "on a much larger ship" have to do with anything? Is there some scientific principle I'm missing?


It takes longer for a large fat man to hide than a skinny smaller man. This has to be what he means comparing smaller and bigger ships with a cloak.
marVLs
#18 - 2013-11-20 08:28:10 UTC
Did You see that some parts connected with pipes too engine are glowing only when ship is moving? Shocked
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#19 - 2013-11-20 08:33:02 UTC
If you want to travel cloaky just take a dedicated cloaky ship. The SoE ships have the cloaks more for a combat utility reason than travel.

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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#20 - 2013-11-20 09:25:58 UTC
Rammix wrote:

Frigates are about speed. Cloaky frigates are for cloaky speed (of travel in this case).

So you're angry the Astero isnt a covops cloaking interceptor?
Rammix wrote:

Cloaky ships are meant to stay cloaked for MAXIMUM of time wherever they travel. What's the point of flying a frigate if you have to pause 10-20 seconds after each gate to just keep yourself invisible on d-scan.

They're not. They're meant to cloak at times and uncloak at others. There's not a single ship that's meant to be cloaky all the time. You're sacrificing something for something else. For example bombers are reasonably slow and hard to tank. In return they are cloaky and have unique damage projection.

Rammix wrote:

As long as it can use covert ops cloaking device it IS a covert ops ship by its nature (by name - only scanner frigates are covert ops if you want to insist on correctness).
Recon and BR are cruiser-sized, have smaller warp speed and agility, so when you travel in them you usually don't notice cloak reactivation delays. A frigate is a totally another thing - this cloak reactivation time should be reduced by 30% at the very least.
Tears? Crocodile tears? Lol. Seems you don't get the usage of that idiom. You absolutely don't.

Btw, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be a delay, I'm saying that 30 seconds are way too much for a frigate, especially for a covert one.


Again the Astero was meant as an exploration frigate. Not an all-in-onecloaky dps tanky high-speed scanning pvp hacking relic analyzing master of all ships. It does all jobs reasonable, but isnt the best at any of them.
Also see: Gnosis.

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