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No, if you read my past weeks posts, I actually intend to get ISK faucets nerfed but not ISK income. It's two different things.




I have a whole fleet of faction + deadspace fitted missioning ships, how do you explain that?




I have little reason to want to "protect" what I have. It's not like I am going to lose it anytime soon, and my monthly expenses are *perhaps* 200M. Someone who only gains a fuktons of ISK and spends 200M a month, why should care to protect that against a variation of some % a year?




I suppose you were not there when I gave away fitted Mackinaws, nor when I send 100M at a time to Solstice Project just so that he can have fun blowing other guys out nor when I send 100M at a time to prize guys who did something I liked (see the PLEX for good thread).




Since CCP does not give numbers any more, nobody can know what's broken and what works. That's probably the reason why they don't release numbers to begin with.

Hey I am not affected at all but positively by this "not broken" situation. My stocks gain value just by sitting there, I liquidated 30B in isotopes 2 days ago but I still have an amount that could make you faint.

I don't sub with PLEX either so my convenience is ALL for this trend to go on forever!

If the game as a whole suffers, who cares, right?

You know VV sometimes people who made a lot of money feel the urge or the guilt to help others less fortunate ones. The fact that they made money gives them validation in their own eyes that they know what they are doing even if the people whom they are trying to help do not understand it because, you know, you know better that is why you are rich, and you have all this isk to prove that you are smart and right.

But I am a believer in theory of the second best and I am cognizant of unintended consequences. Road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I see value in not changing things too much because this produces a stable and predictable economy, which is good for the game in my opinion. We have some professions and I would not nerf them. Rather I think that it is good that you can move up to higher paying professions.

Give money away and continue to do so and that will be good. Kudos.

But if we must change the game I would move it towards free market instead of meddling and instead of moving in the opposite direction from the free market. If you have a free market things will self adjust. So for example I would get rid of insurance or make it player driven. Why would anybody want to insure ships that participated in the latest goon war? It makes no sense and it affects game decisions.

If something produces supernormal profits people will flock to it and there will be no more supernormal profits. Competition will happen. Why is this just plain wrong?

Regarding the first point, you have cartel in the first place precisely, so that you can have monopoly. The solution to it is war or smuggling. Cartels make for a good game thank you very much. Why else would you defend your space if you can make same money without having to defend your space? Your members would leave. You really want to regulate cartels in Eve? Maybe an inspector should write up a report on Delve every month and list code violations? Oh gosh that would not make for a fun game.

As far as US health care, this is what Milton Friedman had to say about it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6t-R3pWrRw

Clowns still trying to make the argument that CCP should manipulate prices instead of let players find their own equilibriums?

The plans are different, but the planners are all the same.

One of the things that can kill EVE as a game is the value of ISK.

Just imagine a situation where you must pay a standard monthly fee in cash to play the game and then buy ISK by selling PLEX in order to do any meaningful active PvP. Take a look at 3 years from now, for example, and a PLEX price hitting 1 bil ISK (according to the previously posted graph, that will happen).

Now let's take a look at faucets:
- If they stay the same, value of the ISK will continue to drop as it is dropping now and it would become harder and harder for new players to do anything meaningful.
- If they are nerfed, the amount of ISK in circulation will stay, but only rise at a slower rate. Again, not very newbie friendly.
- If they are buffed, we'll only have faster and more potent inflation until the point where ISK does not have any meaningful value (I've experienced exactly this in RL, sadly.)

The thing is, there is a delicate balance that should be worked on and maintained that provides new players the ability to join the game. If anything that they can do to make ISK is worthless compared to the value of PLEX, then we have a problem. And this game, being over 10 years old, needs new players in steady streams in order to survive. People's lives change significantly over 10 years and you simply can not count on veterans holding the game forever.

Overall, the inflation must somehow be stopped or slowed down significantly if we want to see this game survive 2-3 years from now.

No, I don't mean that the PLEX is expensive. I mean that ISK is devalued and that if continues to be devalued, we will have a problem.

There is a tremendous amount of hilarious wrongposting in this thread for something that was originally a troll.

Your definition and understanding of Pareto optimality are wrong.

Pareto improvement is when somebody is made better off without making anybody else worse off.

Pareto optimum is when you cannot make anybody better off without making somebody else worse off.

If I am wrong I would like to know.

In context of this thread, if we nerf isk faucets just so that PLEX can be cheaper that is not Pareto improvement because even though PLEX buyers benefit isk earners suffer. So then you have to weigh the benefit to PLEX buyers vs isk earners suffering. If you do not care about Pareto improvement then you are just in business of redistributing wealth/resources.

The problem is that space slaves are becoming restless because they need to spend more and more time farming for PLEX. So they are unhappy. So they will quit game or else.