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300mil/hr C5 Marauders

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Sith1s Spectre
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2013-11-20 11:02:17 UTC
Have to say, quite a fan of the new portrait

Resident forum troll and fashion consultant

Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-11-20 17:13:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Anize Oramara wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
why not use two xl asbs? each one alone can tank all a c5 site can throw at you with two t2 invuls and a dcu?


Doesn't work.

any specific reason it wont work? is 2.5k dps tank not enough?


It doesn't last long enough, your under tank pressure for 40-50 minutes, even with the marauders giant cargo bay, it still just runs out of charges.

@Sith
Why thank you good sir
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#23 - 2013-11-20 20:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
why not use two xl asbs? each one alone can tank all a c5 site can throw at you with two t2 invuls and a dcu?


Doesn't work.

any specific reason it wont work? is 2.5k dps tank not enough?


It doesn't last long enough, your under tank pressure for 40-50 minutes, even with the marauders giant cargo bay, it still just runs out of charges.

@Sith
Why thank you good sir

I am currently on the test server and you are correct, no way you cna have enough caps to last longer than 5min.

That said however I am trying to do what you did but with a)only T2 gear and b) only running a HG crystal set minus the omega. c) No boosts d) No smart bomb

I think I have a fit that can do it but we'll be taking it slow (Testing with a corp mate) We're first going to test run a site with a vargur and paladin. Then solo run easiest sites then see if we can find some boosts and try the harder sites.

If it is possible to solo or alternatively dual box any C5 sites in CHEAP fits then I think stuff is going to get interesting

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-11-20 21:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
why not use two xl asbs? each one alone can tank all a c5 site can throw at you with two t2 invuls and a dcu?

Doesn't work.

there was a guy going around running C5s in dual XLASB vargurs before the patch so i highly doubt it doesnt work anymore.
C5 sites are nowhere near as scary as people make them out to be.

in the end it's more or less irrelevant since if youre not escalating the sites youre wasting a ton of isk no matter how youre running them.

There is no Bob.

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Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#25 - 2013-11-20 22:03:08 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
why not use two xl asbs? each one alone can tank all a c5 site can throw at you with two t2 invuls and a dcu?

Doesn't work.

there was a guy going around running C5s in dual XLASB vargurs before the patch so i highly doubt it doesnt work anymore.
C5 sites are nowhere near as scary as people make them out to be.

in the end it's more or less irrelevant since if youre not escalating the sites youre wasting a ton of isk no matter how youre running them.

This is purely to run C5s that connect to our c5

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#26 - 2013-11-20 23:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Yup, so far Oruze and Garrison totally doable solo with ONLY T2 equipment, no boosts and just a HG Crystal set, no omega and 2 cap implants and some ballistic implants.

Next test is going to be Boosts but no/cheap implants

With a paladin buddy it's like running C3s.

Mobile depo is crucial to success and mobile tractor unit is very useful.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#27 - 2013-11-20 23:45:07 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
why not use two xl asbs? each one alone can tank all a c5 site can throw at you with two t2 invuls and a dcu?

Doesn't work.

there was a guy going around running C5s in dual XLASB vargurs before the patch so i highly doubt it doesnt work anymore.
C5 sites are nowhere near as scary as people make them out to be.

in the end it's more or less irrelevant since if youre not escalating the sites youre wasting a ton of isk no matter how youre running them.


In my case, Jack, I have prblems runnung sites with corp mates. Any alter atives fir soloing sites is welcome and there are plenty of anoms to go around.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7

Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2013-11-21 00:09:27 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Yup, so far Oruze and Garrison totally doable solo with ONLY T2 equipment, no boosts and just a HG Crystal set, no omega and 2 cap implants and some ballistic implants.

Next test is going to be Boosts but no/cheap implants

With a paladin buddy it's like running C3s.

Mobile depo is crucial to success and mobile tractor unit is very useful.


What do you use the mobile depot for.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#29 - 2013-11-21 00:27:41 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
Yup, so far Oruze and Garrison totally doable solo with ONLY T2 equipment, no boosts and just a HG Crystal set, no omega and 2 cap implants and some ballistic implants.

Next test is going to be Boosts but no/cheap implants

With a paladin buddy it's like running C3s.

Mobile depo is crucial to success and mobile tractor unit is very useful.


What do you use the mobile depot for.

Swapping out mods to increase dps or tank or cap as needed. Kinda like a good dread pilot does when running C5 sites.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Razer Aideron
Ship Spinning 101
#30 - 2013-11-22 07:29:35 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Reddit DIscussion Where I will be answering questions and taking pitty on the trolls ;)

UPDATE:

I'm offering a 300mil bounty to the first person who gets the kill on a PvE marauder in a C5.

Close to getting the bounty but scrubbery fits in a C4 makes me a sad bear :<


They were bashing a tower
Adoris Nolen
Sama Guild
#31 - 2013-11-22 07:38:12 UTC
Maybe, just maybe C2 with C5/NS statics will be viable for me again. Ice mine NS, farm C5 sites/ Ded sites like crazy,

Yes, I'm a hardcore C4 bear.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-11-23 05:04:46 UTC
Adoris Nolen wrote:
Maybe, just maybe C2 with C5/NS statics will be viable for me again. Ice mine NS, farm C5 sites/ Ded sites like crazy,

Yes, I'm a hardcore C4 bear.


Make sure you scout that **** and check for sigs!
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-11-27 05:47:03 UTC
This may actually need a nerf, the amount of money were pulling in compared to the amount of isk were risking is a bit ********.

We don't even run cap escalations anymore XD
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#34 - 2013-11-27 06:44:38 UTC
good job dude,

I also think instead of running a scout on your second account you should run another vargur, maximum isk efficiency, that is how the pros do it.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2013-11-27 07:27:58 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
any specific reason it wont work? is 2.5k dps tank not enough?

My uneducated guess is that one ASB's load is not enough to hold for the reload duration of the other.
Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#36 - 2013-11-27 08:21:22 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
any specific reason it wont work? is 2.5k dps tank not enough?

My uneducated guess is that one ASB's load is not enough to hold for the reload duration of the other.


There was a guy running C5 sites ion a vargur before the patch. The vargur got stronger in tanking department this patch, so I highly doubt it's not possible anymore.

here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff8c39qQE-M

Part 1 he failed and accidently shot a trigger.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2013-11-27 17:31:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
Matarella wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
any specific reason it wont work? is 2.5k dps tank not enough?

My uneducated guess is that one ASB's load is not enough to hold for the reload duration of the other.


There was a guy running C5 sites ion a vargur before the patch. The vargur got stronger in tanking department this patch, so I highly doubt it's not possible anymore.

here is a video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff8c39qQE-M

Part 1 he failed and accidently shot a trigger.


He was also in a pulsar which makes doing the sites a TON easier cause you don't have to worry about neuts.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#38 - 2013-11-28 06:42:14 UTC
You will see nullbears coming in to C5's with these. Just cut it with the damn negativity people, or they might get scurred!
QT McWhiskers
EdgeGamers
#39 - 2013-11-28 08:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: QT McWhiskers
OK so here are the ins and outs of this. Fact and fiction down to numbers here.

Preperation.

Because of the MJD bonus, you dont need to worry too much about getting jumped. Yes it is possible for scrams to stop an MJD, but with a faction smartbomb anything fast enough to get a scram on you will just die.

Dont think you need to pay too much attention to probes either. Just D Scan should be fine. You see something, warp to safe get your cloak on and wait a while. If you have to log out have a scan ship with you, or have a depot and a scanner with you.

Mobile tractor beams are a godsend in these sites. Nuff said. (not really marauder change but rubicon change)

Tactics

You need a pimp tank. There is not getting around this. C Type or better invuln. Gist B type or better booster. (I went X type), you need pith b type or better amplifier. With resists and bonus from bastion you should be right at or very near 90 percent across the board.

You need a cap booster for instrumentals. Instrumentals are harder than the hardest of combat c5s because it has 4 neuting BS versus maybe 1 BS 3 cruisers for the hardest of waves.

2 people make this go incredibly faster.

With a cap booster and MJD you will never die to sleepers if you arent lagging or paying attention. See you are getting to low to support? Align, run boosters and MJD out + warp. If you wait till you are capped out, you are going to have a bad time.

6 golems or vargurs in two groups of 3 can clear out 12 sites in about 1-1.5 hours. (should be getting 15min per site)

Contrary to popular belief, the vargur can do just as well as the golem in these sites. Just needs some extra range from rigs.

Soloing one of these sites is possible but with 2-3 people you increase your isk/hour by so much that it doesn't make sense to solo it. (Unless you are going to be one guy online on christmas...)

TL:DR
Dont worry to much about getting jumped MJD > gankers, 3 pimp marauders =300-400m an hour if done right.
Keith Planck
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-11-28 09:24:36 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
OK so here are the ins and outs of this. Fact and fiction down to numbers here.

Preperation.

Because of the MJD bonus, you dont need to worry too much about getting jumped. Yes it is possible for scrams to stop an MJD, but with a faction smartbomb anything fast enough to get a scram on you will just die.

Dont think you need to pay too much attention to probes either. Just D Scan should be fine. You see something, warp to safe get your cloak on and wait a while. If you have to log out have a scan ship with you, or have a depot and a scanner with you.

Mobile tractor beams are a godsend in these sites. Nuff said. (not really marauder change but rubicon change)

Tactics

You need a pimp tank. There is not getting around this. C Type or better invuln. Gist B type or better booster. (I went X type), you need pith b type or better amplifier. With resists and bonus from bastion you should be right at or very near 90 percent across the board.

You need a cap booster for instrumentals. Instrumentals are harder than the hardest of combat c5s because it has 4 neuting BS versus maybe 1 BS 3 cruisers for the hardest of waves.

2 people make this go incredibly faster.

With a cap booster and MJD you will never die to sleepers if you arent lagging or paying attention. See you are getting to low to support? Align, run boosters and MJD out + warp. If you wait till you are capped out, you are going to have a bad time.

6 golems or vargurs in two groups of 3 can clear out 12 sites in about 1-1.5 hours. (should be getting 15min per site)

Contrary to popular belief, the vargur can do just as well as the golem in these sites. Just needs some extra range from rigs.

Soloing one of these sites is possible but with 2-3 people you increase your isk/hour by so much that it doesn't make sense to solo it. (Unless you are going to be one guy online on christmas...)

TL:DR
Dont worry to much about getting jumped MJD > gankers, 3 pimp marauders =300-400m an hour if done right.



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