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I'm sorry, but you're a bad. YOU are missing the point that Caldari use missiles AND hybrids.

Minmatar have to train two defensive systems. Don't whine about having to train for two offensive systems (hybrids and missiles). You'll notice that not all Caldari ships are pure missile boats. Yes, Caldari actually do have a good deal of pure missile boats. But the fact that they have hybrid gunships as well should tell you, Caldari is NOT pure missiles. So if you're Caldari, and flying purely missile boats, well... Broaden your horizons, you have loads more ships you could be using in new and different situations than just using your missile ships to chip away at NPCs. Naga is a hurtmobile. Get yourself some battleship hybrid turrets if you want, join in on the face removing.

I really think that it is important that the Naga be able to use hybrids, CCP, I really do, but let me lay this out.

This man here showed some incredible ingenuity, and really made something interesting out of a missile naga: a ship that can speed tank level 4s. Given its wide selection of damage type, its kinetic damage disadvantage compared to the Drake is nullified and it becomes an excellent stepping stone for newer Caldari pilots such as himself, even allowing a segue into torpedoes or rails and blasters in the future. Not only this, but all the pilots who have trained millions upon millions of SP into missiles will be left in the dust, with no new ships to play with. EVE needs more viable missile ships, and without at least one of the new battlecruisers providing this, I fear that much will be lost.

The removal of the launcher hardpoints represents a great loss to the Naga's usability and usefulness to me, and I fear that the added damage bonus to hybrid turrets will almost completely supplant the already-forsaken Rokh. I would much rather it be changed to an all-torpedo ship, with better bonuses to torpedoes, than see it lose missiles entirely. At least this way all 4 weapon types are still spoken for.

The main (read: only) complaint with the Naga's DPS application that I have heard, aside from people who just hate Torpedoes (which are great) is that the missiles are just too damn slow. It needs to be increased by at least a factor of 2, with its flight time decreased to match the original range, or it is borderline unusable while moving at the speeds it does. Consider adding this as a role bonus.

That graph for the oracle looks completely wrong. I don't have the faintest clue how you can get an Oracle to do less than 500 DPS, unless you completely gimped the entire fit just to shoot at an arbitrarily chosen 110km optimal range.





I'm not bloody trolling, mate. This is my serious face.

What up naga's!? Ship looks p cool! P sure Caldari ships will get alot out of this up and coming expansion tbh. Which will be great! Oracle is a kinda scary. Guess I'll be seeing fleets of those golden b@st@rds alpha-ing and nano-ing about.


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Sort of disappointed that there wont be a missile based tier3 BC. Especially considering both of the hybrid ships are obsoleted by the Tornado.

What would have been wrong with upping the torpedo numbers a bit?

A torpedo spewing monster would have been fun (With explosion velocity bonus and torps' speed bonus), but the current Naga is a solid PVP ship. Like I said, I have literally catastrophic hybrid skills, and I still managed to do almost as much damage as a Tornado (For which I have all V).

Please return the 10% bonus for the Tornado, it was its feature. Why do you compare it with Talos? it has about 30% dps more then Tornado. And now the Tornado has low dps and low faloff. Plus the Talos has drones now, and the Tornado reduced faloff
And the Oracle has about 1k dps at 20km and 700+ at 50km, and its normal? and the Tornado with its 10% faloff is not? Strange logics. Nerf then Oracle too and the optima; bonus on Naga.

And btw, with the new Naga, what is the purpose of Talos? Maybe the Torpedo\Hybrid Naga was better?

Can somebody recap all ships bonuses and slots? cannot login into sisi and im quite lost to all changes.

bad desicion to cut a torp ship :(

2x hybrid weaponship sucks

hey all. i havent read all the other replies but i gotta put in my 2 cents.

Firstly, Thanks CCP. you ******* might as well not bothered putting missiles into the game. CCP idiots: 'here players, have a weapons system that isnt going get any kind of love'
why are u having the Talos, a good looking hybrid ship that does the job and then the Naga a worse Talos without drones.
Its really good to know that u dont support a quarter of the weapons in the game.

as for all the people that said a torp boat is bad etc etc i think u need to stop sucking Amarr's ****. i know all of all who said torps are bad arent amarr players but i reckon a lot are. Every single ship with different setups are usefull, u just need to know how and when to use them.

also, torps typically have better range than blasters and will hit and do damage even if the target is moving. i know hybrids are getting buffed but torps will still be able to do that.