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Tech 2 BPO's
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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-11-18 22:11:14 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I know lots of people with T2 BPO's. If you want to pool your isk with some friends, I can get you some starting at around 20b.


Yeah the problem with Tech 2 BPO's is that they are so damn expensive it will take 5 years before you make your money back with them.

Unless you plan to flip them.


Short of outright stealing one, this is really the only way to make decent money with a T2 BPO, and even then, it's barely worth it unless you luck out and happen to snag yourself a significantly under-priced one.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#22 - 2013-11-18 22:12:11 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
I agree with your first two statements. But the third is just lazy, ignorant, mouth-spewage.
No, they're all correct. Anyone who thinks otherwise has not done their maths.

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Many T2 ships are a loss to invent and build. Yet they are still being sold regularly.
…in such small volumes that it's not really worth the production slot unless you have literally nothing else going on. So it's not the road to wealth — it's just trying to pay off the acquisition cost by scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as pricing goes.

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The obvious answer is because a T2 BPO can spew out an infinite number of high ME copies with which invention cannot possibly compete.
I may be obvious, but it's also hilariously wrong. Second only to buying one, copying a T2 BPO is probably the stupidest thing you can do with it. The copy time for a run is much higher than the production time, so any time spent copying is lost twice over because you're not producing. You're also wasting copy slots on something that could be worth your time.

At best, you might be able to sell those copies at a slight markup due to the higher ME/PE, but why would you do that when you could just produce from the BPO? The only option would be if all your manufacturing slots are full and you happen to have a copy slot left over (which means you're probably not going to be able feed your manufacturing slots at full speed)…

So yeah, the notion that the ability to copy T2 BPOs somehow makes them better than invention does exactly one thing: it proves that the person claiming this nonsense has not actually looked at the economics of T2 production. It certainly doesn't prove what the person is hoping to prove…
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#23 - 2013-11-18 22:20:19 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I know lots of people with T2 BPO's. If you want to pool your isk with some friends, I can get you some starting at around 20b.


Yeah the problem with Tech 2 BPO's is that they are so damn expensive it will take 5 years before you make your money back with them.

Unless you plan to flip them.


You buy the BPO, you produce for 6 months, you sell the BPO for what you purchased it for, and the building margin is your profit.

You need to login very infrequently to update material buys and item sell orders.

The more isk you have, the inevitably lazier it gets, ie I can turn around far better percentage profits doing T1 indy, but its easy to run out of lines doing so, and the working capital is all minerals, which means I have to keep running giant orders representlng most of the capital through the market.

T2 BPOs are pretty good profit per click or per order update, and pretty good profit per line, both of which are other constrains on profitability of varying levels of importance to people depending on how much isk they have and how much time they have and how many accounts and characters they want to run.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-11-18 22:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: SurrenderMonkey
Tauranon wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
I know lots of people with T2 BPO's. If you want to pool your isk with some friends, I can get you some starting at around 20b.


Yeah the problem with Tech 2 BPO's is that they are so damn expensive it will take 5 years before you make your money back with them.

Unless you plan to flip them.


You buy the BPO, you produce for 6 months, you sell the BPO for what you purchased it for, and the building margin is your profit.



You've invested X billions into an asset that, if we're REALLY generous, might produce 1.5% of X in profit per month. At current T2 BPO prices, it will probably be less than that.

By comparison, doing one month's worth of research on a capital BPO generally nets 5-12% of the invested value, and is even less effort.

Until you have so much isk that it actually becomes difficult to invest it into literally anything else (and this is probably a value in the hundreds of billions range), the strategy you just described is really only good for making money slowly.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#25 - 2013-11-18 22:27:53 UTC
  • "I know lots of people with T2 BPO's. If you want to pool your isk with some friends, I can get you some starting at around 20b." - Erotica 1

    • Oh my GOD! There's an Erotica 1 in here! Quick, kill it!

    mynnna wrote:
    Erotica 1 wrote:
    mynnna wrote:
    I wouldn't. His antics in his "bonus room" have gotten creepy in a way that even goons find appalling. For that reason, he sure as hell won't be appearing on the official CFC ballot list. Whatever support he can dredge up here is what he'll get.

    As I will address in more detail soon, there has been an odd campaign lately to silence our voices. I am not standing down, and I will not let the status quo stand. Together, we can change things and make Eve better for everyone.

    Would you please explain for the crowd trying to get someone to rub mayo all over themselves (and send pictures) achieves that? Because, really, I don't see it, and the empty platitudes don't really help.

    mynnna wrote:
    Erotica 1 wrote:
    I don't think this forum is an appropriate place to link my extensive client photograph collection. Perhaps we can arrange to have samples of them posted on some fansite. The player you are referencing had fun, and I'm sure he will come forward to talk about it soon. Many of my bonus round clients, whether they win or lose, have a good time. Many also, even if they lose, tell me later than they have had their eyes opened to the possibilities within the sandbox and thank me for it.

    For anyone that wishes me to run a boring, dry campaign, I'm sorry but there will be lots of fun and excitement.

    This will be a CSM campaign like no other.

    Big smile
    Openly and shamelessly admitting you're building a collection of IRL pictures from your "clients" with absolutely no awareness of how creepy that is.

    Thanks for making my point, I couldn't have done It better myself.

    "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
    NEONOVUS
    Mindstar Technology
    Goonswarm Federation
    #26 - 2013-11-19 01:13:02 UTC
    Erotica1 is a nice person, she gave me a free plex and when I checked my wallet flashed with an extra 100 mil.
    True story.
    Silvetica Dian
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #27 - 2013-11-19 02:31:01 UTC
    SurrenderMonkey wrote:
    Lors Dornick wrote:
    Soldarius wrote:
    The obvious answer is because a T2 BPO can spew out an infinite number of high ME copies


    True.

    Given an infinite amount of time a T2 BPO can create an infinite amount of copies.

    But given that most of us operate on a finite amount of time the actual amount of copies is that a finite amount divided by the time it takes to create a copy.


    Oh, that reminds me - one of the easiest ways to tell that someone has their head completely up their ass on the T2 BPO subject is that they start spewing utter bullshit about how the BPOs can be copied.


    The copy times on T2 BPOs are substantially longer than the production times - generally double or so - which means you can only ever decrease your production rate by copying them.


    The corps with lots of T2 BPO's are so rich that they are communist by default. All assets are shared and corp capitals are a real thing handed out to whoever wants them for ops and handed back when the op is over. T2 BPOs' over the time they have existed can make you rich. There are two reasons this doesn;t matter.
    1st they make so few ships/modules compared to demand that they have zero impact on prices for the rest of us.
    2nd to buy them has a 5 year or so payback time and so they are pointless to buy.
    a few people that got given them are rich.
    a few corps have large numbers of them and are very very rich.
    i can still manufacture stuff as a 2013 player and make billions.
    who cares about the few t2 BPO's

    Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
    Ghost Phius
    Tribal Liberation Force
    Minmatar Republic
    #28 - 2013-11-19 03:13:03 UTC
    JC Anderson wrote:
    T20 flashbacks.


    Yes this.
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