EVE General Discussion

I got ganked while auto-piloting my fleet ecmgu on some random high-sec gate. It was standard t2 fit - armor plate, umbra ecm, navy adaptive nano. Nothing fancy, standard cheapo fit.

Anyways, I see a lot of concord on empire gates every time i come out of w-space, a lot more then a few years ago even.

The fact that suicide gankers are these days ganking even standard fleet ships, i.e. scrapping bottom of the barrel, means this particular mode of pvp is getting out of hand.

I have checked killboard of that no-doubt multiboxing dude. Thousands of empire ganks, not a single loss, and at regular intervals, fresh set of 10-12 catalyst pilots.

Its not cool. Ganking haulers for chance to make a pile of isk - great, all for it. Ganking standard fleet ships - wtf? Whats next, they going to suicide-gank FW frigates en route to lowsec?

Right now theres no consequences to suicide ganking. Let me correct this, there no MEANINGFUL consequences. Security status? Please, so easy to work around it. Cost of ships? 2mil per destroyer is not a cost. Brutix hull? Pff.

Solution.

Make it cost something to gank. I propose rework of bounty and kill right mechanic:

Want to suicide gank? Pay to shoot. Pay to concord to activate a temporary kill right on your victim, with price determined by value of the victim. And heres the kicker - victim determines his value by paying to concord his own bounty.

So lets say I want to avoid getting ganked, I think Im not worth more then a bil, so I pay to concord my value, 1bn. That expires, like insurance, by the way. Call it suicide insurance, can tie it to clone value.

Anyhow, ganker wants to gank me, he has to now pay to concord a proportion of that value tied to value of my ship or something, and then he can get a kill right on me. Otherwise, cant shoot me in high sec.

This forces gankers to PAY. Ends rampant non-targeted ganking, AND solves isk inflation.

and I stopped reading right there.

Play the game or don't. In other words be at your keyboard.

Let me ask you, ever played a game called Fallout? And then particularly F3 or 'Las Vegas'?
There is an option to auto move through the wastelands, 'q' key I think.
Now in those wastelands there is scum, animals, mutated animals, mutated mutants and they all want you dead.
Tell me, if you play F3 and hit 'q' and go bake a cake, put out the trash or whatever, do you really expect to see your character alive when you come back to the screen?

Rules of EVE:

Rule No. #1 don't trust anybody.
Rule No. #2 never fly autopilot.

Oh I dont care about the ecmgu, its the point that its too cheap to do even to bricks. Be constructive, read my solution.

Your 'solution' is not.

Quite simply because gankers do not require or desire kill rights (would have thought you'd have figured this one out).

If, on the other hand, you are proposing that suicide ganking not be allowed, full stop:

Get out.

Im proposing it should cost something. Pay-per-fire, with it costing more isk in fines the older a pod is (or the more insurance the pod has bought).

Why should anyone read your solution to this? You even said you were on AP. If you dont want to get ganked, try sitting behind your computer and actually pushing the buttons.

Newsflash to Goons - wormhole people are rich beyond your dreams. If you think a standard ecmgu loss impacts my wallet, think again. So I will continue to autopilot them from jita to wormhole when I need replacements, thanks.

Its the principle of the matter. I came up with a good name for that ship, Im pissed it exploded.

Nobody used to gank fleet ships several years ago. Too much of that lately, despite your protestations. Needs to cost more.

It's only as "EZ" as stupid people allow it to be.

Could the OP have avoided being suicide ganked merely by playing in a smarter fashion?

Yes.

So the complaint here summarizes to, "Whaaa, it's not fair that, when I play like a complete ******* imbecile, it's easy for someone to suicide gank me! That's not fair! Make it safer for me to be a completely AFK moron!"

Please allow me to be safer while I'm AFK does not make for a compelling argument.

ecmgus are passive-tanked. trimarks in rigs, plate and adaptive nanos in low. roughly 70k ehp. give or take. Thats just so you know.

You cant passive tank armour. If you had not been afk you could have simply jammed them and had your suitcase on. I dont have access to the KBs but from what info you have provided the blame for this lies entirely at your feet.