Skill Discussions

Good go back to WoW then.

If we could remap any more than once a year, or at the absolute most once every 6 months, ccp may as well remove attributes because people could just pay up every month or so to render attributes meaningless anyway.

There was a time when we had no remaps, be thankful we can remap once a year. At this point 1 year isn't even long enough. I can remap in April, but have enough perc/will skills on the list to easily take me into the fall or even winter.

No - the system as it is right now is actually good in that it rewards strategic planning for character development rather than just "flavour of the month" training.

The decision making in character development system has already been simplified (and actually that was a good thing long term as it removed a nasty little barrier to entry for new pilots).



I think you fail to realise that your proposed system would not benefit new players - it would benefit players who can drop 250 million ISK at the drop of a hat if they so choose to. (Though in all fairness, most of the ones I know who have that kind of ISK also know how to plan ahead).

One of the things which I love about EVE is that it is so friendly to new players relative to older pilots. A two week old pilot who's figured out which way ships fly can already be an asset to a corp. In most other MMO's until said pilot has developed to "endgame" level he is nothing.

I dont think it's a bad idea, Eve could really use a money sink. So if a remap was priced at 500 million, or maybe just a flatout Plex (won't be a moneysink if it costs a plex, or is a manufacturable though) . People would spend some of those billions they have hoarded.

And if you look at it, someone who remaps once with an Evemon plan, and someone who remaps 10 times following the same plan, The latter dude doesn't get a benefit the other guy can't compete with. It won't let him "pay to win", to do remaps.

And yet at the same time, it would be an attractive option.

If thats your argument, then everything which can be bought with ISK is pay to win. Faction gear? Pay to win, for example.

It's a flat out bad idea. (Sorry if that sounds harsh)

You do realise if you allow monthly remaps you might as well do away with attributes alltogether. Everyone would train at optimal speed 100% off the time.

If you are concerned about attracting new players, why do away with one of Eves stand out-ish features?

Cala

P.S.: re 'mistake during remap' Usually if you happen to misclick during a remap the GMs are rathe helpfull and reset your attributs, as long as you file a ticket right away and it's the first time. So no, it's not a good reason to quit.

You know, you don't have to remap, right?

My alts use a generic mapping like 23i 21p 21m 17w 17c so never remap. I'm old Achura with low charisma, so I'll probably never remap. Everytime I look at remapping, EVEmon shows me it will save maybe 15 days a year. Big deal.

I just train whatever suits me at the time, rather than planning grandiose year long plans which I'll never be able to stick to. I try to restrict my plans to 90 days or less, but even those I rarely follow 100%.

I recently recruited a three week old player into my corp.

I assigned him the role to scout out a nullsec constellation, told him the basics about not getting blown up and he's out there playing with the sharks. He'll be part of a combat fleet before the week is out.

Why? Because he was the will, the drive and balls to do it. It's your attitude that's wrong, not the system. Sure his skills are suboptimal but it's not skills that get things done. It's pilots.

Learn to work with your limitations, you will appreciate your in game skills all that much more when you finally get them.

I like your idea. Most non indy people I have talked to bite the bullet on Drones, Leadership (and PI, which a lot of new players do for the early money) skills and train them without remaps. Usually because they are either mapped for perception or intel because that is what most of the core ship flying skills are.

I wouldn't get too discouraged about the feedback. Any time you propose a change you'll get people fighting it, It doesn't matter what the change is. You'll always get "it is fine how it is. Just plan ahead better, or jump through 9 hoops like I had to." type responses.

I came up with an idea for attribute remapping that may actually work.

Every 26 days give someone 1 attribute to remap. You can accrue a total of 14 attribute remaps before it "caps out." This is effectively a full remap every 1 year. New players would start with 28 attributes to remap.

A player remapping from mem/int into int/mem will only use 6 remaps.
A player remapping from int/mem into mem/perp will use only 10 remaps.
A player remapping from int/mem into pecp/will will use a full 14 remaps.

I believe this would make it a little easier (going from int/mem to mem/int is about 6 months) but without making attribute points worthless.