Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Another cry of beggars who want to be free of what you have to pay now.

To TS - Dislike.

Очередной плачь ищебродов, которые хотят бесплатно иметь то, за что сейчас надо платить.

Не поддерживаю.

"I hate having to lose something because I don't want to risk."

"CCP, please remove this element of risk so that I no longer have to make a meaningful choice."

Does that about sum it up?

If you think it's a good idea to remove learning implants because they're expensive, don't you think it would also be a good idea if CCP simply removed all implants from the game and gave everyone the equivalent of having 4% hardwirings to every skill? It would eliminate the need to risk expensive implants when you fly in PvP.

We train faster now since the attribute changes, that allows for remapping. Learning skills were removed and again, we gained the attributes from this change. (A change I could see the need for.)

So here we are, with faster training and more options, but it seems some simply don't like those options. The idea that if learning implants were removed, they would PvP more simply doesn't sit right.
Clones are a massive boon. They give choices over implants and now you are able to jump every 19 hours. But you think this makes it worse and think SP per hour is the only thing that matters. As SP per hour has never been as issue for me, I find it hard to sympathize with such an argument. As well as that argument going against all I've seen in Eve in 10 years.

I have no doubt many here, would then join the call for removing attributes next. For this has been asked for already. Because of the time delay between each change etc, it stops them training for ships and therefore PvPing etc or stops them doing other things due to poor attribute returns etc.

I get value for money out of playing the game and using the tools provided. But do let me know when attributes stop you playing, I'll be sure to read your posts.

good, because that's basically an identical reason for removing learning implants.

for the record, i think attributes themselves are fine, as are remaps they involve meaningful choies. on the other hand, learning implants do not offer meaningful options. the difference between snakes and slaves is interesting and meaningful. the choice between sp/hr and slaves isn't.

How is Be safe and learn skills quicker or go out and risk a ship a meaningful choice? You are also using a stupid argument with your hardwiring. The learning implants have no direct effect on PvP unlike hardwirings that is a meaningful choice. Be slightly better for that fight but risk more or risk lesss but be less effective.

To say again because you were a bit too dense the other several times. How is learning skills quicker or actually playing the game a meaningful choice?

But it's not an identical reason. The reason learning skills were removed was more about the ridiculous time it took to train them and the time it took to pay that time back. It was a skill that became a burden to most and although I ended up losing SP per hour after that change, I saw it punished new players.

Plus, I simply don't believe your stance on attributes. With your obvious risk aversion and belief that SP is so much more important than playing.

Now to my wealth.

Null, yes the chances are very high, that you'll lose your implants. Unlike high and low sec were the chances are low. Very low in fact. But even when my obvious wealth wasn't so high, I used them and didn't use them. Mostly dependant on whether I could be bothered to bring them in to null or not. But SP per hour wasn't an issue, mostly due to my bad attribute fixed set. Helped with the learning skills ofc, but I've already given my view on those.

As far as WH space is concerned, well that's another choice isn't it. No stations and higher risk, for much greater rewards. It's hardly an excuse to use against learning implants, or any other for that matter.

The funny thing is, while you were sat worrying about your +5s in a station and what SP you're getting. I was out gaining my obvious wealth and skillz using said expensive clones.

The most worrying thing about this thread is the positive replies, I wonder how many of these posters flamed other threads for suggesting a buff to skill training?

Eve relies on risk/reward ratios, you are complaining about a level of risk that has a huge benefit to you!

Implants provide a quick semi-permanent boost to training, at the risk of podding resulting in the loss of the implants. If you are saying that you will not leave the station because you are in a plus 5 set, I would speculate that you either don't consider the benefit of a jump clone with cheaper implants worth the loss in training time or you simply are extremely risk adverse.

Neural remaps exist to reduce dependency on implants if required, obviously they are less flexible and they can also be boosted further with implants.

Jump clones give the benefit of removing the risk of implant loss by giving you a whole other body, the down side being the delay in jumping back and number of JC, which have both been buffed recently!

What your suggesting is a removal of an important variable when deciding to engage in PvP or any activity which could result in podding.

You are removing an isk sink, which it is, any destruction of assets in Eve is a sink. Implants like rigs are destroyed by removal but both can be sold when installed, via contracts for ships or the bazaar for a toon which means they have value.

If you want to reduce risk of implant loss, run without implants and neural map/plan the training appropriately. Or jump out to a clone with reduced attributes for the duration of increased risk. If you can't accept that risk/reward trade off then you seem to be missing the very foundation of this game.

(Hoping most of the posters are trolling).

so have i, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't have had more fun if i wasn't constantly having to trade sp for activities where i may lose my implants.

I like this idea, learning implants not much different from learning skills. Having to spend 80m on implants every time I get podded is a real PITA, and pods aren't covered by SRP.




Obvious bias is obvious.



Because loosing 500m in implants to a wardec would be stupid?



Good job Mr. 1337 PVP. I wish we could all be awesome as you!

I cannot relate to the OP's problem. If I don't want to lose expensive implants, I don't use them in the first place and live with a little bit slower, which I actually can very well, because I CNBA to train Cybernetics to V yet. Also, the occasional pod loss with +3s in the head doesn't hurt that much. Fly some missions/do some FW and you have the LP and money to buy new ones. If I want to train a bit faster, I step back from dangerous areas and stay where I can assure the survival of my pod in case I feel triggerhappy.

TL:DR: I have the choice and am forced to take a choice between risk and reward. Wwhere's the problem?