EVE General Discussion

Actually, it's likely they have those programmers. The reason they are streamlining everything is not because they lack that spark, but rather because they have a dream that they want to fulfil. You see, EvE is ancient in terms of code architecture, and in order for these newer developers to start building their visions they must start from a solid foundation of their own making. The launcher was so buggy because they built it from scratch, whereas the old one started out buggy, was patched many times, and then became stable. CCP is now in the remodeling phase, where they are consolidating, removing, streamlining and rebuilding the code in order to be able to start the next set of major projects. This is the chance for them to lay the groundwork for ten more years. Basically they have three choices. Do nothing but maintain the code as it is, meaning we will never see another major addition. Scrap the code entirely and start from scratch. This would mean a total reset of the EvE universe and the potential future release of EvE 2: EvE Reborn. Or do as they're doing now. This is the careful process of taking the archaic code, complete with it's spaghetti string nature, duct tape and bandaid fixes, and bringing it up to date, making it cleaner, clearer and easier to build on. This thankless task will let them begin adding those visionary aspects that we dream of every day. This will let them maintain the integrity of the persistent, single shard universe while planning the major changes to come. The other options would mean the end of EvE forever, with a chance of it being replaced by a new iteration. This option, the one they've chosen, means EvE has a future.

Is this a rapid light missile thing?

Because that's the first thing I've seen in a while that seems to have a good deal of players aligned against it and is getting pushed through anyway. Ironically enough, there's been some posts in that thread about how rapid light missiles could have been fine if you could tracking disrupt it, a change which did not happen PRECISELY BECAUSE CCP listened to the player base.

I find it hard to justify a 40 second reload on a weapon system and it feels like a mistake to me but a single misstep in a long line of improvements is forgivable and I am willing to try it first. If it turns out to be a mistake it can be reversed. For the most part I've been pretty happy with what I've seen in the past year or so.

I'm finding CCP more open than ever regarding their plans for each expansion, so I don't know where you're finding this air of secrecy that is keeping you out. Unless your tinfoil is preventing the message from getting in.

How about a complete rework of the Corp Management Interface, something which has been needed for years?

PoS's redone, something which the payers have been asking for years.

Null Sec Industry to be made worth while.

FIx the Risk v Rewards so many null sec pilots do not feel the need to have HS alts earning isk.

Is this good enough?

Then you weren't paying attention to the Loot Bukkake threads. Pretty much everyone hated. Got pushed thru anyway. Everybody still hates it.

And Tracking Disruptors working against missiles is STILL a bad idea. It would become the one e-war to rule them all. Tracking Comps would become mandatory because Arbi/Pilgrim/Curse/Sentinel would be everywhere. A new mod that functioned like a TD but against missiles? Yeah that would work. But one mod that does everything is a real bad idea. Would be even worse than ECM since there is no RNG.


But back to hating on CCP.... Yeah they be acting weird again.

The problem with a "Future Vision" is that CCP do not exactly inspire confidence that they will even get close to it. Let not forget about their other vision WIS.. that ended well.

Personally I am not interested in what might happen in 5 years, I would much prefer that they deal the major issues we have now such as those listed by Scatim Helicon.

If these issues are not dealt with then there might not be much of Eve left in 5 years.

2008 CCP: We have a Vision!
2009: CCP: We still have a vision!
2010: CCP: We have a damn vision!
2011: CCP: AHH we have a vision!
2012: CCP: Vision...Future!...vision!
2013: CCP: THIS....IS...VISION!

Drop the 8 Ball CCP, throw it out the window!

No dear.

CCP have unreasonable expectations of what they should code.

A proper expansion - that is not just a series of database edits sold as rebalance - is a serious thing.

They give themselves six months flat.
Six months to deliver something that takes other larger software houses 2-3 years to deliver?

Is it me who have unreasonable expectations? No, it's CCP. In fact what do we get? Something castrated like PI, because they could not realistically create a "Dune for EvE" game in less than 2 years. And in fact they failed.
WiS? Same! MMOs with less detailed characters take years to develop, yet CCP allocated much less than that.

Also, another of their unreasonable self expectations: if you are a relatively small development company, you don't create your own 3D engine from scratch. If there's something abundant is exactly 3D engines, why on Earth would they want to reinvent the wheel... in a small time frame as well? And of course it failed.

There's not a lot to talk about here. Either you:

- Stick to 6 month cycles and thus are doomed to forever release mediocre filler content and bugfixes. Sooner or later the playerbase gets tired, it's not good seeing people looking for STO / SC / whatever and stick to EvE only because the other games fail, not because of the intrinsic goodness EvE's evolution (which ATM is quite slow).

- Get more people and start charging for expansions, Blizzard style. Would not end well here.

- Lay down a longer term plan spanning 2 years, show it to the playerbase, take their input and if it's welcome then really implement it as it should. Not yet another half assed piece of crap cobbled together in 6 months and that requires the next 2 years to vaguely fix (but will still remain vastly unfinished).

- Pay a TON for a visionary designer and give him white paper (could be bold and risky).


What certainly is not going to work is to keep the current inertia, the current attempts at creating bad games because they just lack the right people to create killer spin off games.

Why do you say Winter 2014 specifically?

Agreed.

Same as when they pretend they can carry on parallel developments for: EVE Online, Dust and Valkirye (not considering now WoD even if they claim is still in progress); only few big companies in the world are able to try (only "try") this, Sony, Blizzard, maybe... but with troubles anyway.

I'd be happy to simply see CCP focusing their resources on EVE instead of bad FPS for console or dogfight shooters with VR support and so on. People caring for EVE also care for this, evoking the "another EVE is dieing thread" meme is naive; here is not the playerbase, is CCP showing to not trust EVE and his ability to grow anymore, and feeling the need to get ready with something else.

I'm surprised by this... I think the updated warp mechanics will do a lot more to change things for the better than people think. Sure, other things need to be "fixed", added, subtracted from the game but it's not all going to happen at once and considering the magnitude of all this .. stuff .. [shrugs]

Who knows?