EVE General Discussion

I very much hope so because right now I'm disappointed of the things the "industry" called circle jerk offers.

I'm also not that worried about the future. I will play as long as the game I currently have is fun. There will always be a grand vision for eve, that's just the nature of the game...

Also I was trying to take part in the event and left because I don't like to wait 3 hours for my dying.

You know, one of the good things with being an old gamer (22 years on the fray here), is that it gives you perspective.

Virtual Reality is not going to change the fact that most existing games & genres are better played on a PC, with a mouse and a keyboard.

Certain games and certain genres may benefit from VR, but they're a small part of the total, and VR haves its own issues too.

Do you think that it would be cool to play a FPS in VR? Go try to stand up for one hour, holding a weapon mockup controller in your hands for all that hour. You'll learn a few funny things on human physiology.

How about a virtual interface, hovering virtually in the air so you must just raise your hands to use it? Guess how many times you'll be able to raise your arms to reach it before your elbows and shoulders start flashing warnings?

Make this experiment, place your keyboard vertically so you must push the keys rarther than press them down. Now write me an answer as long as this one, and tell me how it would feel after, say, one hour.

Virtual Reality haves its pros and its cons. And to gamers, it will be a toy... a expensive and fascinating toy, but eventually just a toy. At the end of the day, you'll be back to resting your arms on solid surfaces, and will wonder why in your VR game it feels so weird to speed up and slow down... or why it doesn't even haves those functions. (Clue: Valkyrie doens't haves brakes because slowing down is a very tricky issue. When your eyes "see" slowing down, your brain wants to check your feet, which obviously aren't there and the controller won't follow, so your brain, your inner ear and your self-perception tell you that you're looking at your feet but the eyes say "no, you're looking straight ahead" and then everyone goes bananas and you'll get motion sickness sooner than later... and so there's no braking in Valkyrie)

In PR jargon, the stronger, impressive and bolder the words, the least the actual substance being delivered.

For years this community BEGGED CCP to fix it's game rather than add more new stuff that would simply be abandoned in short order.

CCP does that, moving away from "Jesus Features" and more towards polishing existing content, rebalancing content (thus creating WAY more content than the game ever provided before, people now actually know what a "scythe" and a "Bellicose" are.....) and fixing bugs, while still adding new but smallish content like Ghost sites.

Result? The same community that begged CCP to to what it's doing now is begging for Jesus features.

YOU people are lucky I'm not CCP. I'd flip a switch and turn off the servers for a week to teach you ungrateful sods a leason, and reply to every petition that resulted from that with 4 letters: HTFU.

It's just a law of symmetry.

How many times have we read people demanding EvE to forever stick to an early 2000 game play, where you MUST be super-social, super committed, join super corps, basically live EvE (this usually happens in pro null seccers vs everyone else)? Else you are meant to have a miserable life, don't deserve any kind of reward, should possibly die slowly eaten alive by scarabs.

But many know this is not early 2000 any more and the world has changed and with it the playerbase has changed as well. Many MMOs had to adapt to the new players RL induced necessities or died.


In the same fashion, the glorious pre-2000 developers days have gone.

Even CCP employees often blame a lot the elder CCP developers and their "spaghetti, inestricable code" and even design decisions. But then, THOSE were the old school devs with loads and loads of vision.
Yes they coded in a furious and confused way yet THEY brought EvE to life not the SCRUM era employees.

Those early devs would also imagine those "Jesus expansions" and then deliver them - usually with tons of mistakes, incidents a la boot.ini but in the end the stuff was delivered.
Over time natural turnover, promotion etc. made those early devs slowly disappear or lose contact with the playerbase needs. They slowly got replaced by "new gen" devs and designers.

Technically these are more orderly, more adherent to good practices, more... a lot of stuff. Yet there's somehow less "Insanity and genius" about them, the epic taste has gone. Sure, having 2 years of bugfixes is nice and all, but is this all what we can aim to now? It's little creativity at work here. Worse, they are losing contact with the ever running evolution in the rest of the gaming world.
The gaming world don't care for academic achievements like proving a console game could attach into an existing MMO, it cared to get Wormholes. It cared to get playable WiS not a proof of concept engine.

Anyway CCP should try and get back some of those scarce visionary designers.

Imagine what a guy like Chris Taylor or Chris Roberts could do to EvE. People that could single handedly affect the gaming industry just because they thought farter and higher.
EvE should routinely beat itself. EvE should not just have "emergent gameplay" but used to be and should return being "emergent developing".

Example: EvE started with a revolutionary concept - and underlying technology - to allow a one shard universe.
That was emergent developing.

Example of the new course: TiDi. It's a nice concept but it's a "defensive, defeated guy approach" to tackle the issue it tries to fix. Had it been the "real" CCP they'd have concoted something absolutely incredible and bold, like i.e. introducing multi-threaded clusters, sub-grid dynamic players entities management and so on. All of this possibly created in a small room full of smoke, furiously coding 18h a day "a la old times" and possibly with who knows how many issues. But in the end it'd give a new generation of lag-less gameplay.

But as I said above, it's not golden times any more. Players would not accept having a less than 99.95% servers functionality even with such a feature being delivered. And devs would not accept the "18h a day in a small room full of smoke" old way of delivering stuff.

Therefore we are in a post-golden times gaming era, where players are not the ones we could have back in the day, nor developers.

Might sound incredible, but players expect BOTH a functioning game AND nice expansions.

This dicothomy is propaganda spread among us to make us "choose" wether have an half game playing well or an half game with new features.

Does not work like that in the competitive gaming industry. Markets are ruthless, you either deliver - and deliver good - or die.

If CCP is not up to the task, they will eventually decline and close down.

EvE cannot forever live on past glories. EvE has thrived because it's always been two steps ahead. Nobody cares for a perfectly polished corpse.

This was only the excuse used by CCP to justify their focusing on other developments rather than on EVE.

I think doesn't exist a single game comunity on this planet begging the company to NOT keep developing and working hard on great things for their favourite game.

This image is simply surreal :)

Hrm... The CEO of EVE (Hilmar) was quoted to believe that he does believe that everyone will buy one:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/hilmar-petursson-interview-oculus-rift-vr/



Either he knows something we don't or he's overly optimistic about the Oculus Rift.

Secondly you have a weird misconception about playing the Occulus Rift. If I was going to buy something that I had to stand up all day I would not be interested because I'm a fat lazy ****, but there are plenty of videos of people playing FPS games with mouse and keyboard. Certainly there are those enthusiasts who are playing with the Hydra because they have the device and want to look cool on Youtube.

The games that really shine are cockpit games I think as well which mostly will be using a mouse and keyboard or joystick.

The Hydra is weird and has been discontinued anyways.

The truth is this is mostly speculation on my part because I have not tried the rift. The thing is though is that everyone who has tried the Rift and posted on youtube has declared it amazing and game changing except for those who get nausea (which seems to affect 1 out of 10 people). And these are people who are using the low res developers kit not the HD version that has not been released yet. They say they can fix the VR sickness in the HD version.

When I try it I'll let you know, but if all the reviewers are to believed it might be a forgone conclusion. (Watch me have VR sickness though)

One of the things that reviewers have discussed is the immersion factor. It literally tricks you brain into believe you are really there and you start to feel things like extreme fear and vertigo. They describe the objects feel like there are literately 3 to 5 feet in front of you where you can.

Here listen to this guy for 16 minutes to listen to his description of the rift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BUZaE52hAo

People on the Oculus Rift forums have actually complained that it has spoiled all the games that were not Oculus Rift supported and they only want to play Oculus Rift games.

https://developer.oculusvr.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=5068 (the CCP url warning butchers this url. in order to see it copy and paste it into a url field directly in your broswer with the text. Be warned I could be a bad guy after your stuff. Or you could just google "The Oculus has spoilt my gaming experience")

Maybe I am just believing the hype, but it seems even the CEO of CCP believes everyone will buy one.

And if everyone buys one that means most games will be designed around them.

But anyways I'm just speculating. I'll let everyone know on Thursday if the people on youtube were right.

And you. Don't dismiss it until you've tried it for 10+ hours.

Hell... Look at the reactions of these people playing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INDKNA7kXoo

Can a regular monitor cause people to react like that?

I think CCP is looking for Rubicon to = a reset button after the blue screen that was the door in Incarna.

I am in agreement with OP since it is just a factual recount of what happened. I am going to give CCP a chance to take their collective heads out of their bums and get it redirected starting with the yet to be revealed "vison"(tm).

ok CCP Seagull do your thing......

The outrage that followed the removal prompted CCP to restore it. It was removed.