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Hybrid Platform for 4s?

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Lacey Chains
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-11-15 17:52:23 UTC
Tired of doing the Domi /Drone thing.

Looking for a gunnery alternative to efficiently running lvl 4s

Right now my skill set is Gallente ships with drones, hybrid guns and armor tank (all T2). I'm about 2 weeks from using a Kronos. I know there are faster and better ways to mission than the drone boat but is it possible using hybrids only?

If the answer is no, then what weapon system would be recommended for me to train while I watch what is left of my soul slowly slip away as I deploy my Curator IIs yet again to melt some Sansha face? I've got an alt with missle skills and that's not much better (fun-wise).


Currently missioning in Amarr space but not married to it. I do like it though, not too crowded like the Caldari space I used to mission in.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

Ormus Vinge
Galactic Traders Union
#2 - 2013-11-15 17:59:30 UTC
Why don't you fly a Navy Domi? More expensive, but nicer DPS and more versatile.

I tried all Mega hulls including the Kronos and with the ewar of Guri/ Serp it sucks.

Drones kill while you're jammed.


If you want Guns, try Minmatar and skill for a Macha/ Vargur.

I use a Macha for Angel, Domi with Guns for Guri/ Serp and a Vargur for all other factions.


With the damage buffs of drones, Domi is a fine ship. Much bang for the buck.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#3 - 2013-11-15 18:03:49 UTC
Nightmare for Sansha/Blood Raider and Machariel for the rest was the optimal setup for me.

Hybrids only I guess a blaster vindicator with a MWD would be my choice.

You can get a Tengu up to 1k dps @ 26 km with a pretty good tank.

Not today spaghetti.

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#4 - 2013-11-15 19:59:17 UTC
Get a machariel or try the rubicon kronos. Otherwise machariel if you want a gunship.

Really though it sounds like you need some variety beyond level 4's. try out the epic arcs or go do something else entirely.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-11-16 00:45:07 UTC
Lacey Chains wrote:
I'm about 2 weeks from using a Kronos. I know there are faster and better ways to mission than the drone boat but is it possible using hybrids only?


I just tried the kronos with bastion mode on the test server, it seems pretty cool.

It will kill targets up to 50km with t2 blasters using null ammo, and does really good damage at 25-30km range. I only did one mission, pirate invasion, but i don't think it will have any problems tanking the damage in level 4 missions. I was running with 2 hardeners and a armor rep for tank, and every time i hit 50% armor i would turn on the rep and be at 100% armor in 2-3 cycles.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Ginger Barbarella
#6 - 2013-11-16 00:48:52 UTC
I just set up a rail MJD Megathron (non-T2 guns) as a backup for my 'snake, and I'm starting to really like it. Close in with blasters was the worst, but the rails at range is really kinda nice. Maybe that's an option?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#7 - 2013-11-16 01:29:07 UTC
Hyperion was patched into an excellent mission running ship. its a lot better at it than a megathron now, mine came out over 1050 dps full T2 fit, not as good as the domi at applying, but good enough.

it is also easy to reconfigure a hyperion to do showtime if you intend doing the gallente arc as it has a big tank when you fit for tank.



I used a kronos with blasters for some time. its got a massive cargo bay, so it can bring lots of cap 800s so it can run around in the mission space intercepting everything with the MWD and not run out of cap, and unlike a vindicator, you don't need an x-type mwd to manage the cap.

I seriously doubt come rubicon it will be anywhere near as much fun as it is right now, since the tank will be dependant on stopping and IMO the range increase is not worth being able to herd packs to one side and use void all the time as it can now.

Rail kronos is, will be and has always been terrible.

Lacey Chains
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-11-16 02:11:58 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Hyperion was patched into an excellent mission running ship. its a lot better at it than a megathron now, mine came out over 1050 dps full T2 fit, not as good as the domi at applying, but good enough.

it is also easy to reconfigure a hyperion to do showtime if you intend doing the gallente arc as it has a big tank when you fit for tank.




1050 is definitely respectable. Rails or blaster? (I'm assuming blaster) Do you mind sharing that fit?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#9 - 2013-11-16 02:41:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Lacey Chains wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
Hyperion was patched into an excellent mission running ship. its a lot better at it than a megathron now, mine came out over 1050 dps full T2 fit, not as good as the domi at applying, but good enough.

it is also easy to reconfigure a hyperion to do showtime if you intend doing the gallente arc as it has a big tank when you fit for tank.




1050 is definitely respectable. Rails or blaster? (I'm assuming blaster) Do you mind sharing that fit?


am not at home, so checked for fit on osmium, the T2 rig was not expensive. fits for me without implants. If its a close mission replace the sebo with a web and bring some javelin (otherwise you'll be there all day).

1054 dps at the edge of antimatter range, 1093 with faction magstabs, more again with javelin (though I never quote javelin numbers, because drones won't track well if you are that close). If you use lots of faction you can either get rid of the cpu rig, or fit an MWD. bring wardens instead for missions with most npcs > 50km


6x - 425mm Railgun II (navy antimatter charge L)
- Drone Link Augmentor I

### Medium slots

- Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I (cap 800)
- Tracking Computer II
- F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines
- Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
- 100MN Afterburner II

### Low slots

- Drone Damage Amplifier II
- Large Armor Repairer II
3x - Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
- Armor Kinetic Hardener II
- Armor Thermic Hardener II

### Rig slots

- Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
- Large Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster II
- Large Processor Overclocking Unit I

5x - Garde II
5x - hobgoblin II
Lacey Chains
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-11-16 03:58:12 UTC
Looks like I can fit it and not too expensive to give it a shot.

Thanks for this.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#11 - 2013-11-16 05:03:35 UTC
Lacey Chains wrote:
Looks like I can fit it and not too expensive to give it a shot.

Thanks for this.


if you want it to not fly like a dominix, you can fit a navcomp and heavies. It will hold aggro pretty good because the hyper is delivering 750 dps itself.
UkaIS
Dammalin Industries Incorporated
#12 - 2013-11-18 09:17:10 UTC
If you have been running droneboats until now this wouldn't have been a problem for you, but the EW in Amarr space (read: Tracking Disruptors) can give you a really bad day, especially when sitting in a blaster ship. I think I would either try a Navy Domi since it can utilize both hybrids and drones or a Rubicon Kronos (EW immunity when in Bastion Mode). For my playstyle the Kronos is most likely the way to go :-)
Tenga Halaris
Galactic Traders Union
#13 - 2013-11-18 14:28:20 UTC
Well since the Bastion mod will kill all ewar, the Blaster Kronos is nice, but very expensive in comparison to a cheap faction /T2 fitted domi.

1,5 bil for the Kronos + the Marauder skill 5 etc

compared to

maybe 400 mil for a well fitted domi with 900 DPs around 50km optimal.


Only if you're rich and have the skills at 5, i guess...
Lacey Chains
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-11-18 16:18:06 UTC
I like the Hyperion but it's still more of the same - except closer range and a little more risky. Not really much faster that I can tell. It would probably be more involving with the heavy drones and getting to move around a little more but I skipped heavies and went straight to sentries so It's 27 days for t2 heavies or pay almost 4 mil a piece for faction drones. I don't mind paying for them but losing them would suck

Batelle wrote:

Really though it sounds like you need some variety beyond level 4's. try out the epic arcs or go do something else entirely.


I gave a lot of thought to this and I think you are probably right. When I started Eve I didn't have any plans and just kind of defaulted into the missioning thing. I was told don't trust anybody and high-sec is the only somewhat safe place. As a result I haven't done anything but missions and a little high-sec exploration. Missions would not be so bad except there are a limited number to pull from and nothing changes, it gets boring.

It's time to see what else Eve has to offer.

It's time to leave the safety of high sec.

Putting everything in storage, grabbing a jump clone and seeing wtf happens.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-11-18 21:14:23 UTC
Navy mega also gets the job done at a pretty respectable speed with rails.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#16 - 2013-11-19 03:19:23 UTC
Lacey Chains wrote:
I like the Hyperion but it's still more of the same - except closer range and a little more risky. Not really much faster that I can tell. It would probably be more involving with the heavy drones and getting to move around a little more but I skipped heavies and went straight to sentries so It's 27 days for t2 heavies or pay almost 4 mil a piece for faction drones. I don't mind paying for them but losing them would suck

Batelle wrote:

Really though it sounds like you need some variety beyond level 4's. try out the epic arcs or go do something else entirely.


I gave a lot of thought to this and I think you are probably right. When I started Eve I didn't have any plans and just kind of defaulted into the missioning thing. I was told don't trust anybody and high-sec is the only somewhat safe place. As a result I haven't done anything but missions and a little high-sec exploration. Missions would not be so bad except there are a limited number to pull from and nothing changes, it gets boring.

It's time to see what else Eve has to offer.

It's time to leave the safety of high sec.

Putting everything in storage, grabbing a jump clone and seeing wtf happens.


One of the first things I did when I decided to leave highsec was the pirate epic arcs. I highly recommend them, they are great fun and all you need to do em is enough standings with the starting agents, a blank clone, and a couple of cheap fit destroyers. They pay out really nicely too, you get something like 350+ million from the Angel epic arc and it's only 10 short missions, first time I did it I lost 2 destroyers in the process which cost me like 20million so it's still a really nice profit, and the experience is invaluable. Nothing gets the adrenaline running like jumping into your first null-sec gatecamp :)

Other great options for leaving highsec are W-space and low/null-sec exploration. Some of my favourite moments in Eve happened in W-space.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-11-20 12:28:09 UTC
Tenga Halaris wrote:
1,5 bil for the Kronos + the Marauder skill 5 etc


I assume you have close to perfect gunnery skills, and the same with tank, fitting, cap and mobility, if not the Kronos is not the ship you are looking for. If you have all the support skills, you don't need marauder 5, 4 is more then enough for level 4 missions.

Unless you plan on marrying the Kronos, you should train minmatar battleship 5 before considering marauder 5. Then you have access to both the Vargur and Vindicator.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#18 - 2013-11-20 17:36:55 UTC
T2 Rail Kronos works just fine -- even better with MJD.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-11-21 11:40:10 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
T2 Rail Kronos works just fine -- even better with MJD.


it works... but you can do the same in the navy mega at half the price.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-11-21 14:24:32 UTC
dexington wrote:
it works... but you can do the same in the navy mega at half the price.

Until the Navy Mega gets sensor damped or jammed to hell.
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